Genealogy Chat

Hi. I have been searching for Catherine Vivian on the 1871 census it states that she was born in 1862. I have searched for her birth and she was born 2nd quarter 1861 Truro. The confusing thing is i know she married Thomas Curtis but i can only find there marriage in 1870 3rd Quarter in Falmouth which is where Catherine was born. If this is so then she would of been 9 when she married do you think i have the wrong census details? The census i have is RG10/2287/50/4 Many thanks Jen

Are you using Free BMD or the full index on ancestry when looking for the marriage?

How do you know she married Thomas Curtis?

Hi Pippa i am using the full search on Ancestry. I know that she married a Thomas Curtis due to having a birth certificate of one of the children, also my grandma has told me this. There daughter is Hilda Curtis and she is on the census 1891 RG12/1827/4/2 Thanks Jen

Do you have the family in 1901?

Catherine on the 1901 census reference is RG13/2208/26/7 Hilda who is her daughter is reference RG13/2221/51/22 Jen Sorry Hildas reference is RG13/2221/52/22

Have you tried all the variant spellings of Vivian? It is a very common Cornish surname and gets spelled in many different ways, including Vyvyan, Vyvian, etc. I think you have the wrong marriage, personally, she couldnt possibly have got married age 9. Or the age on the census has been mistranscribed. OC

So she is a widow in 1901. Do you have hubby's death? Have you also looked under the name Kate and any other variation of Catherine. Also as OC said the name Curtis and Vivian seem very common!

Thanks OC i know on some of the census's they have been called Trevivian. I will have another look for other marriages for these people. Thanks Jen

Hi Pipa no i don't have the death maybe if i looked that up and ordered the certificate i could get a little further. Thanks for your help will look for the death and also another marriage. Jen

When was the first child born? and who is that Charlie Vincent?

1881 would suggest Catherine is single at that time. Name: Catherine J. Vivian Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Daughter Father's name: James Mother's name: Catherine Gender: Female Where Born: Kenwyn, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Madron - Penzance County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: 22 Battery Sq Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Housemaid Domestic Serv Registration district: Penzance Sub registration district: Penzance ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Clara Clesham 2 Catherine Vivian 43 Catherine J. Vivian 19 Eliza Vivian 12 Elizabeth A. Vivian 18 James Vivian 43 Mary E. Vivian 17 Thomas Vivian 9

Sorry I don't know Cornwall at all but was she born in Newlyn in which case do you have the right birth ref as this is the info I found about the area: ST. COLUMB REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : Cornwall. Created : 1.7.1837. Sub-districts : Newlyn; Padstow; St. Columb. GRO volumes : IX (1837-51); 5c (1852-1930). Parishes in Cornwall (1837-1930): Colan, Crantock, Cubert, Little Petherick, Mawgan in Pyder, Newlyn, Newquay, Padstow, St. Breock, St. Columb Major, St. Columb Minor, St. Enoder, St. Ervan, St. Eval, St. Issey, St. Merryn, St. Wenn.

However Gorran info is: ST. AUSTELL REGISTRATION DISTRICT Registration County : Cornwall. Created : 1.7.1837. Sub-districts : Fowey; Grampound; Mevagissey; St. Austell. GRO volumes : IX (1837-51); 5c (1852-1930). Parishes in Cornwall (1837-1930): Creed, Fowey, Gorran, Grampound, Mevagissey, Roche, St. Austell, St. Blazey, St. Dennis, St. Ewe, St. Mewan, St. Michael Carhays, St. Sampson, St. Stephen in Brannel, Tywardreath. Registers now in St. Austell district Sorry I don't know the area so you will have to be the expert!

I am guessing that you have this? Births Jun 1883 CURTIS Hilda Maria St.Columb 5c 99

Marriages Dec 1882 Ball Catherine Meluish St Columb 5c 185 Scan available - click to view CURTIS Thomas St. Columb 5c 185 Scan available - click to view Martin Richard St Columb 5c 185 Scan available - click to view Osborn Philippa St. Columb 5c 185 I think she is Catherine BALL. They have a Louisa Ball which is sister-in-law in 1891 with them. Interesting.....

Birth the match the marriage: Births Dec 1859 BALL Catherine Veluish St Austell 5c 166 Scan available - click to view

Just re-read the heading message - so, was she born in Falmouth, or was she born in Truro? (You state both places in your header) OC

Catherine Meluish Ball 1860 St. Gorran, Cornwall in Michael's tree on here. Worth contacting to find out more........?

Kate Ball in 1861 I think : Kate M Ball Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Goran, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Gorran County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: St Austell Sub-registration district: Mevagissey ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age Kate M Ball 1 Grace Lawry 21 William Pearce 78 Charles Thomas 19 Eliza Thomas 20 Elizabeth Thomas 17 Henry Thomas 54