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Can anyone look up a John Gudgeon ( gudgin ) b 1857

He was born 1857 in Icklford Herts....... Tryin to find parents of said above

Kerry There is a John Gudgin aged 6 living with a Stapleton family in Shillington, which I remember from your other post. He is listed as son-in-law, which could mean stepson.

Sorry can't see him only on the 1901 with wife Jeanette

Kerry I see the John I found on the 1861 was born in Holwell Befordshire. Were the family we found yesterday the wrong ones then? I remember your saying he was from Beds.

Not sure any more feel like i'm going round in circles Hav been told that beds and herts border each other and shillington is on that border....... 1861 census Gudgin 1901 census Gudgeon I give up They all ended up in Shillington Maybe they inter married????????? Anyone any ideas?

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Kerry there are several John Gudgins in Bedforshire around that birth year. What were the parent's names again?

1871 to match the info from 1861 re John with Stapleton family Name: John Gudgin Age: 16 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Son-in-law Gender: Male Where born: Hollwell, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Shillington Town: Lower Stondon County/Island: Bedfordshire Country: England Registration district: Ampthill Sub-registration district: Shillington ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 127 Household Members: Name Age John Gudgin 16 Ann Stapleton 6 Emma Stapleton 35 Emma Stapleton 14 George Stapleton 35 Julia Stapleton 1 Ruth Stapleton 12 Sarah Stapleton 9 William Stapleton 3 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1553; Folio: 42; Page: 24; GSU roll: 829793 Strange that in 1901 - born Ickleford 1891 born Saddleworth 1881 born Shillington Maureen

Marriage in 1861 March qtr Hitchin 3a 245 George Stapleton and Emma Gudgin Only names listed Maureen

Don't have parents info....... Don't think this is the one i want though as in the 1901 census he is a Gudgeon married 2 a Jane Brooks. Can anyone find this one on the 1861 please?

WARNING There is now a new thread on Records board asking for another look up for this man Maureen

1891 Name: John Gudgen Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Jane Where Born: Saddleworth, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Shillington Ecclesiastical parish: Shillington Town: Shillington County/Island: Bedfordshire Registration district: Ampthill Household Members: Emma Brooks 28 Ethel Gudgen 2 Jane Gudgen 31 John Gudgen 36 Minnie Gudgen 12

Hi Kerry I was the one who helped you out before with the Gugdin's - did the info from that guy Alan on Ancestry send you in another direction? I can see from his tree on Ancestry that it gives John Gudgin born 1857 - son of George Stapleton and Emma Gudgin (Gudgeon). That Emma was born in Ikleford daughter of John and Arabel. I am fairly confident that the one you have is correct. Alex

1851 has this - could it be that he was illegitimate? Name: Emma Gudgin Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Mother's name: Arabella Where born: Holwell, Hertfordshire, England Civil parish: Holwell County/Island: Bedfordshire Registration district: Hitchin Sub-registration district: Hitchin Household Members: Arabella Gudgin 55 Eliza Gudgin 15 >>Emma Gudgin 12 John Gudgin 57

From IGI JOHN GUDGIN Male Event(s): Christening: 25 MAY 1856 Holwell, Hertford, England Parents: Mother: EMMA GUDGIN Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record.

I wasn't completely sure I was gonig in the right direction.....only in circles.. Am I concenrating to much on the spelling of the last name? Does the spelling even matter? I have no idea.....

All depends how the enumerator read/heard the surname and then wrote it in his records. I have Bidwells becoming Bedwells and one reverting back to Bidwell for his marriage and a census return, before - you've guessed it, - becoming a Bedwell again! You could get his marriage cert - father's name would be on that, but then again, the baptism does seem to indicate that he was illegitimate. A parish record look-up would show if he was.

Well I've learnt that with certain names you shouldn't fixate too much on the spellings. Certainly with a name like Gudgeon, back then people were mostly illiterate so saying the name Gudgeon to someone they might think it was just spelt Gudgen, Gudgon, Gudgin - depending on peoples accents. After reading numerous books on genealogy and one by John Titford which had a whole chapter devoted to names - it is essential in family history to not go down the road of refusing to look into people where the spelling doesn't match exactly. Dont feel like you are going down the wrong track or round in circles. This is definitely your man! Just be glad he wasn't a Smith or a Jones! Plus its a small place and you can be pretty sure he is the right one - its not like he lives in the depths of London with a name like John Smith. Alex

Thank you ever so much for all the help Now I can finally put this one to bed as such. Right on ward and upward...... Happy hunting all Kerry