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Mix Up With Maiden Names.Please Help

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Donna

Donna Report 15 Feb 2007 18:09

Can anyone help. I have just obtained my grans marriage cert to my grandfather which states her maiden name as(spinster) FLORENCE EMMELINE PICKIN dom 1940 Finsbury to Arthur H Pelling.Her father Albert Edward Pickin. On her1st childs birth cert her previous name is PALMER.This chid is Arthur Noel Pelling bSt Pancras 1932---- 2ND child PALMER.William Charles Pelling b1933 Islington.----- 3RD child DAY,Patrick Jubilee Pelling b1935 Islington.------ 4TH child DAY,Sheila Pelling b1936 Islington.----- 5TH child late DAY then COTTON,Robert Pelling b1939 Finsbury---. 6TH child -can not find his birth,Edward Pelling b1941----- 7th child PICKIN.Roy Pelling b1942 Ashton.----- ALL CHILDREN REGISTERED WITH SURNAME PELLING.Can anyone please point me in the right direction.Very confusing.HELP MUCH APPRECIATED.DONNA

Anne

Anne Report 15 Feb 2007 18:16

Are you sure these children are all (presumably) your uncles/aunts/father/mother? I guess you are because it is reasonably recent. Do you have every certificate? Is the father and mother's name the same apart from the maiden name? If you've just spotted these on the GRO index it would seem to indicate several different families. Forgive me if you do have all the certs - in that case I'm not sure what to think unless your Gran had a bad memory! Anne

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 15 Feb 2007 18:42

Could this be her birth? Births Sep 1901 Pickin Florence Emmeline Stepney 1c 359 Gwyn

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 15 Feb 2007 19:26

Is Florence named on each child's certificate? It seems strange that only the child born after marriage has PICKIN as mother's maiden name. Gwyn

Dorsetbaby

Dorsetbaby Report 15 Feb 2007 19:40

I found these but you say on the other birth cert that her name was Palmer. Does not make sense, as it is always the mothers maiden name on a birth cert. Arthur H married Pickin 1940 3rd qtr 1940.Finsbury vol 1b page 1623. Edward Pelling mothers maiden name Pickin birth registered Amersham, vol 3a page 2327.1st qtr 1941. Roy mothers maiden name Pickin birth registered Ashton, vol 8d page 974. 2nd qtr 1942. With kind regards Donna

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 16 Feb 2007 07:17

Donna Thank you for the PM information...... however... It is easier for anyone to offer help if you keep all the information on one thread. Just click on ... Add reply... and type your message so that others reading the boards can maybe see some way of helping. Late DAY shouldn't mean that Mr Day died, it normally means the same as... lately. ie. You might see late SMITH, formerly JONES after the mother's name. This should mean that the mother's maiden name was JONES but her recent surname was SMITH. This is usually in the case of a second marriage. The maiden name shown against the birth registration of any children from EITHER marriage should not change. In the above case it would be JONES, whether the woman was unmarried, married to Mr Smith, Mr Brown.... or any other man. As regards the 'spinster' at marriage. This should mean that the woman was previously unmarried but I have seen both bachelor and spinster used to describe people who have previously married... but are now free to marry, usually after the death of the 1st spouse. Gwyn

Donna

Donna Report 16 Feb 2007 09:30

Thanks Gwyneth for the info. I have searched through marriage index from 1916 --1940 for the marriage of Florence Emmeline Pickin.I found nothing.No marriages to either Mr Day. Palmer or Cotton.The only one being to my grandfather Arthur Henry Pelling 1940 Finsbury.What was my gran up to putting 4 different names on her childrens birth certs.It is something we will probably never find the real answer to.She died in 1967 and took all her secrets with her. Thanks to everyone who tried to help me sort my problem out. Donna

Donna

Donna Report 30 Oct 2008 16:27

This is one of my old queries, but I thought I would raise it again in the hopes that someone out there as a similar problem with mothers maiden names. Does anyone have any ideas what is going on. I have since learnt that prior to having these 7 children with Arthur Pelling she had another 6 from 1921-1930.The first 5 have the father George Becker whom never married my gran. He may have already been married. He was 23 yrs older than her and died 1929 August. I find gran in workhouse June 1930 after giving birth to a daughter June Pickin father unknown. She surfaces in dec 1932 with Arthur Pelling and gives birth to a son. Arthur Noel Pelling is born ,but instead of Pickin as her maiden name she puts Palmer.

Any ideas???

Thanks

+*+blossom In Essex+*+

+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 30 Oct 2008 17:13

Do you have a date and place of birth for Arthur Henry Pelling?

Donna

Donna Report 30 Oct 2008 21:06

He was born 5/12/1878 at 12 sweedlands court Bishopsgate,London. Florence Emmeline born 6/7/1901. I have their birth certs and marriage. Arthur was previously married to Alice Frances Walker in 1899,but I can't seeem to find her death entry. They had 2 daughters Alice Florrence Pelling 1900 and Edith 1902. I found his war docs from 1915 and he was at Provous Dwellings City RD London.

mgnv

mgnv Report 31 Oct 2008 05:08

Although the most common reason for changing a female's name was marriage, another fairly common reason was taking a stepfather's surname. Do you know her mother's marital history?

Donna

Donna Report 31 Oct 2008 08:44

Yes ,her mother was Emily Rhoda GAGE and married Albert Edward Pickin in 1900. He died in 1915 and a fews years later she took up with his brother William Henry Pickin. They never married but spent the rest of their lives together until he died 1951 and she in 1958.
The only clue I have is that gran would talk about Pedler Palmer the boxer,so maybe first 2 birth certs could explain where that name came from,but why I don't know. There wasn't much time between George Becker's death in 1929 and taking up with my grandfather Arthur Pelling in 1932. To cram all those names in and marry them wouldn't be impossible ,but unbeleivable.

The next 2 children's birth certs I have noticed that their father Arthur Pelling registers them . He may have had too much to drink and when the registrar asked mothers maiden name he answers with his own mothers which was DAY.I CAN'T BELEIVE HE COULD BE THAT STUPID TWICE .

The next child Robert Pelling b 1939 had Cotton as mother's maiden name,but I can't think of an explanation why.

Thanks

mgnv

mgnv Report 31 Oct 2008 08:59

Well, that pretty much puts the mockers on my hypothesis.

Donna

Donna Report 31 Oct 2008 11:14

Thanks for trying to help

Donna

+*+blossom In Essex+*+

+*+blossom In Essex+*+ Report 31 Oct 2008 13:34

I can find this birth entry for Arthur Henry Pelling, but it doesn't tie in with the birth details you have. I'm sure yesterday when I checked on Ancestry there was another Arthur Henry Pelling also for 1878 but I can't find it now! I wonder whether we have two families here with very similar names, but that wouldn't explain why the same mother's name is on all the childrens' birth certs, would it? You say that she married Arthur in 1940. So were the first 5 children mentioned above born out of wedlock?

Name: Arthur Henry Pelling
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: London City
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)

Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!) Report 31 Oct 2008 17:38

Donna - if Arthur registered two of the births and gave mother's maiden name as Day - I can believe that if asked for "mother's maiden name" he might well have given his own mother's maiden name ... Was she Day?

As you say, he could have been a bit tipsy, or maybe a bit stupid, but depending how the question was phrased it would be believable!

Jill

Pamela

Pamela Report 31 Oct 2008 21:02

Albert Henry Pelling married Amelia Jane Day in 1875 -registered in Bethnal Green.
On the 1881 census they are at 24 Penny Bk Chambers Shoreditch with children Edith 5, Arthur 3, and Florence 1.
Also with them are Amelia's brothers Edwin & George Day

Pamela

Donna

Donna Report 31 Oct 2008 22:36

Yes first 5 were born out of wedlock including my dad. He was born dec 1933. MMN Palmer. yet she was really called Pickin and a spinster. His father was Pelling. To put a spanner in the works she had 6 children previous to these out of wedlock. All same father George Becker except the last one named June Pickin no father named on cert. Couldn't have been Becker's he was dead. Recently met her and she looks like dad's dad-WEIRD!!!!

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 31 Oct 2008 23:03

I notice the 2 children born after she married have the correct mother's maiden name.

Rose

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 31 Oct 2008 23:30

Donna, if it makes you feel any better, I have had a similar problem with my great grandmother! She was born Williamson, married a Whittaker, then went to live with a Bland. She had 7 children, one with James Whittaker, and 6 with Edward Bland.I have all the birth certs and while the father's names are all correct, the maiden names given vary. On two she is Williamson, on two she is Williams, on two she is Whittaker, and on the most confusing one she is "late Whitaker, formerly Jenner" I can explain Williams as it is very close to Williamson, and Whittaker was her married name. However I have no explanation for Jenner. I did speculate as you did that it was a mistake made by her partner Edward Bland who registered the birth as I don't know the circumstances under which she left her husband and went to live with him. However I have also wondered whether it could have been a mistake by the registrar as Jenner was a very common name in the area where they lived, and he could have just registered a Jenner birth. I worried about it for a long time as I thought I had missed something, but as I am now absolutely certain of my facts, and have proof for everything, I have just had to accept that I will probably never know the reason for the discrepancy. Good luck!