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sunbeam blossom

hi scarlet ,look on records boards ,you will see the question i asked .

hi again scarlet ,it just says nudge ,what does that mean ?

Nudge

andrea ,scarlet and anyone else who has helped me .got a break through last night ,as we thought i have been tracing wrong alice .my grandad had been married befor to a ellen badder they married in1877,they had at least one child called charlotte ,ellen died ,he then married alice talbot december 1882.the 1880birth date i had for george was wrong ,he was a lot older .they had my father in1903,and many more children .alices parents were charles and rebecker .i will get this confirmed as going to apply for marriage cert .i feel at last that i'm moving ,many thanks and still help me Dorothy

many thanks once again .have been to grave yard at tutbury today but no luck .will try burton registry office next week ,i will get back to you then if you don't mind . Dorothy

The birth cert tells us that Alice had not been married before she married George so that we neen a marriage of George Wheeldon to Alice Talbot. I have checked the full indexes from the 1901 census to Albert's birth and there is no such marriage then - so they should be married on the 1901 census. There are three George Wheeldons with wife Alice on the 1901 one married to Alice Jane living in Melton Mowbray is a confectioner's assistant so I think we discount him secondlyone living in Buxton is a slater's labourer and the one already found living Tutbury who is awaggoner on farm. Considering that two years after this you want the family in Tutbury and George being agricultural then it has to be the last one. The only family of Wheeldons living in Tutbury in 1901 were George and Alice so I think this has to be the family. I would get the marriage cert of George and Alice to get her parents. In due course I would look for the deaths of George and Alice - do you know where and can you or any of your family narrow down the range for their deaths? Otherwise it could be a long job finding them. I

got fathers birth cert ,doesn't really tell me much i didn't know .albert edward d o b 25 april 1903.at owens bank tutbury staffs .father george wheeldon ,agriculteral worker,mother alice (no middle name )nee talbot .would you be kind enough to look at this to see if we can get a lead .thank you Dorothy

thanks ,that is a bit clearer,i always knew my dad had step siblings ,should get dads birth cert tonight so may be something on there to help ,thanks for helping just don't give up on me .

Sorry think I've added to the confusion. What I think we have as facts 1. George Wheeldon and Alice Talbot produce Sunbeam's dad the parents between them (either separately or together) had children Charlotte, William (old enough to die in the war), Elizabeth, George and John. 2. A George Wheeldon married an Alice Talbot in 1892 3. A George (43) and Alice Wheeldon (30) are on the 1901 census with children Charlotte, Willie, Lizzie, George and John. 4. A George Wheeldon born same place and same age appears on the 1891 with wife Ellen and children include Charlotte born similar time to one on the 1901. 5. A Joseph and Alice Talbot have a daughter Alice in 1878 in Abbots Bromley. 6. A Joseph and Alice Talbot are on the census in Abbots Bromley in 1881 and in Colton in 1891 but there is no sign of a daughter Alice. However, there is gap of 5 years between their eldest two children. 7. An Alice Talbot dies aged 0 in 1878 in the Uttoxeter area - which covers Abbots Bromley 8. Charles and Rebecca Talbot have a daughter Alice Hannah reg Jun qtr of 1871 born Abbots Bromley according to the census My assumptions 1. The George Wheeldon married to Ellen is the one who marries Alice Talbot in 1892 and appears with her on the 1901 census 2. Joseph and Alice Talbot's daughter Alice dies. If I am wrong and she doesn't die then I do not believe she is the one with this George Wheeldon in the 1901 as she would only be 22 and she says she is 30 3. George Wheeldon marries Charles and Rebecca's daughter. If we could find a death for George and/or Alice we would be able to see if the ages tied in with those in 1901. Hope this makes sense.

my sister is going to e mail dads birth cert ,but after 5 .i think the confusion is because they were all called joseph and alice .please don't give up on me as i need your help .

george and alice couldn't have married in 1892 she would have only been 14 .going to see if my sister will look at dads birth cert again .

I have lost the plot! Alice is supposed to be married to George by 1901 census , isnt she?

Hi Sunbeam Having looked back over all these posts I would think that the George and Alice married in 1892 are likely to be correct. What profession does it give for George on your father's birth cert? Does it tie in with this George? I have found an Alice Talbot who dies aged 0 in the Uttoxeter area in 1878 - I wonder if that is the daughter of Joseph and Alice - it would fit the gap in their family. Have you any idea when your father's parents died? If we could find the death registration it would give an age. Andrea

scarlet hi ,i'm sure the first link from you on page 1,(where and when did he meet alice ) is my lead .look at the names . alice george george (5) charlotte john lizzie william these names are all names of my fathers siblings i'm almost certain this is the family .would you take another look and see if you agree . thanks for your help Dorothy

thanks to you all .god ,how do you decipher such a mixed up family .?

...and this is they in 1891 Name: Joseph Talbot Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Abbotts Bromley, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Colton Ecclesiastical parish: Colton Town: Colton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Lichfield Sub-registration district: Rugeley ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Talbot 35 Ellen Talbot 9 Emily Talbot 5 Joseph Talbot 42 Joseph Talbot 14 Lucy Talbot 7 Thomas H Talbot 2 Plan B being... Joseph Dies , Alice re-marries thinggy wotsit! in 1892?? (yes/no/maybe/not a clue....???!!) thus this is they ( already posted this once) in 1901 Alice Talbot 45 Annie E Talbot 9 Edith Talbot 7 Gertrude Talbot 4 Joseph Talbot 52 Joseph Talbot 24 Thomas H Talbot 12 Civil parish: Colton Ecclesiastical parish: Colton St Mary Town: Colton County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England

I'm afraid that, as far as I can see, thereis no Alice from this marriage unless she is born after 1901.

1881 Joseph has married Alice (possibly Alice Ward 1876 Sep) Name: Joseph Talbot Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Abbots Bromley, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Abbots Bromley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: High Street Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Brick Moulder Registration district: Uttoxeter Sub-registration district: Abbots Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Talbot 24 Joseph Talbot 32 Joseph Talbot 4 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2751; Folio: 21; Page: 6; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341659.

and 1871 Name: Joseph Talbot Age: 26 (as far as I can see it says 22) Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Son Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Abbots Bromley, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Abbots Bromley Town: Abbots Bromley County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Uttoxeter Sub-registration district: Abbots Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Ann Talbot 46 Ann Talbot 16 Eleanor Talbot 11 Emily Talbot 5 Hannah Talbot 9 months Joseph Talbot 48 Joseph Talbot 26 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2894; Folio: 21; Page: 7; GSU roll: 836396.