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hi all, have lost someone on the census records for 1861 onwards, found on the 1851 and have trawled from 1851 to 1861 death entries and can find nothing - am looking to find Celina and John Boucher here is the entry on the 1851 census 1851 England Census about Richard Boucher Name: Richard Boucher Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Clifford, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: Madley Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Hereford Sub-registration district: Hereford City - cublington ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 83 Household Members: Name Age Ann Boucher 2 Celina Boucher 5 John Boucher 8 Mary Boucher 32 Richard Boucher 35 - haulier and here is her father on the 1861 census, both john and celina are missing and richard shows as a widow, found the entry to mary's death in 1858 1861 England Census about Richard Boucher Name: Richard Boucher Age: 44 Estimated birth year: abt 1817 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Clifford, Herefordshire, England ivil parish: Madley Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Hereford Sub-registration district: Madley ED, institution, or vessel: 4d Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 86 Household Members: Name Age George Boucher 7 Harriet Ann Boucher 12 Mary Boucher 49 - Richard Boucher 44 - farmer and haulier Charles Davies 70 - lodger William Morgan 17 - nephew and again in 1871 - richard is a widower, found death entry in 1868 for mary and 1869 for harriet but still no celina or john Richard Boucher Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Clifford, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: Madley Ecclesiastical parish: Hereford County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Hereford Sub-registration district: Madley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 103 Household Members: Name Age George Boucher 17 - labourer Richard Boucher 53 - farmer with 7 acres - shows as widower am extremely grateful for any assistance

could this be john? 1861 England Census about John Boucher Name: John Boucher Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Wolferlow, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: Bromyard Town: Bromyard County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Bromyard Sub-registration district: Bromyard ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 115 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Bedford 17 John Boucher 16 Elizabeth Lewis 44 Haswell D Shelton 16 John B Shelton 61 John P Shelton 18 Millborough P Shelton 45

have you tried looking with the name spelt as butcher? depending on how it was said/heard depends on what was written down

No help to you really but just to say that I have relatives from Madley and they were very keen on being known by a different name, ..perhaps their 2nd given name but they might change about from census to census. As mine were DAVIES it is no joke. eg. My ancestor was registered at birth as Silvey......later married......but died as Jane. Gwyn

How about this for Celina Name: Celia Butcher Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Madley, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: Moccas County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Weobly Sub-registration district: Weobly ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Celia Butcher 16 Adam Kyte 80 Elizabeth Kyte 70 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1825; Folio: 145; Page: 4; GSU roll: 542874. I wonder which her name was?

And how about this for a mistranscription:-)))) Name: Felina Bowchar Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Madley, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: Cirencester Town: Cirencester County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Cirencester Sub-registration district: Cirencester ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Felina Bowchar 25 Anna Brickett 40 Martha Maskell 64 Harriett Whalley 72 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2646; Folio: 162; Page: 1; GSU roll: 835326.

It's been bugging me, I was sure I'd seen your folk somewhere. No wonder, my JONES /PEAKE family are just nearby in 1851, on the previous page. Lol Gwyn

Thanks all for your help, i'm sure felina sounds pretty good at the moment but i'll take a look at each of them tomorrow, better not stay on here all night again, my husband tells me i'm addicted i'm not, i'm not, i'm not

Seeing as they are the eldest children, are you sure they are Bouchers? have you found births for them? There's this marriage: RICHARD BOUCHER Marriages: Spouse: MARY WILKES Family Marriage: 05 OCT 1848 Bromyard, Hereford, England Perhaps they are Wilkes? Rose

I wonder if the people mentioned in the 1846 Will on the Wills of Herefordshire site are you family? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/ProbateRecords/WillsB.html Gwyn

Thanks for all your help everyone The wills site was very interesting though, not sure if that Richard is same as mine though, but have saved for future reference Stephanie