Genealogy Chat

I have a Charles Newton in Ropsley Lincolnshire. I am hoping he is the brother of my husband's ancestor John Newton. Charles Austin Newton was born in Ropsley in c. 1828 (have his death certificate and census entries). When John Newton married, his father was given as John, a farmer. I am trying to check that this is the correct family. HO107/621/15 Grantham Colsterworth Folio 10 page 14 The father has been transcribed as Isaac. There is an Ann, age 25, and Charles 13. Do you think the entry reads Isaac or Jno (John)? I'd appreciate your opinions.

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This Charles looks so right - correct age and place. It's so frustrating that no relationships are given - we don't even know if Isaac(?) is his father or not, or whether Ann is his sister> Thanks for looking, Jim.

I have studied all the names,on page,beginning with J and I am sorry but it is not a J. 1841 Isac Newton abt 1791 Lincolnshire, England Ropsley Lincolnshire

Hello Elizabeth I'm afraid I don't think it says John either. (Mind you it doesn't look a lot like Isaac!) I agree that, sometimes the 1841 causes more problems than it solves. Angela

I can't say it's them, but I can't rule it out either! Seeing I can't find them elsewhere I shall just have to bear it in mind. I can't find John Newton on the 1841 census either. He was born in Braceby Lincolnshire (just a couple of miles away) c. 1817. He died aged 69 in 1886. He married Ann Tuffnall in 1846 in Checkley Staffs and it states on his marriage certificate that he was a grocer in Burton on Trent. I looked for him there for 1841, but no joy! Then in 1851 he is staying with his wife and daughter Emily in Derby with brother in law Thomas Swindell, an inn keeper. He is now given as a fund holder. He moved south to become a licensed victualler.

Have you noticed that the age for 'Isaac' is actually in the female column? I think this could be an Isabella maybe. Chris

Chris - Well spotted! Thanks! I had never noticed that - no wonder I was confused, because it certainly didn't look like Isaac and I wanted so much for it to be John! More research to do now...

Is this marriage relevant? Name: Charles Austin Newton Year of Registration: 1855 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: St George Hanover Square County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 245 Mary Ann Durbin OR Louisa Elizabeth Meadows The cert would confirm if father was the same........or not. Reg

Hi Reggie - Yes that is Charles Austin Newton. He married Mary Ann Durbin and had three children - Blanche Jeanette Durbin Newton, Frank and Charles Harry. I found that he and John were brothers from census entries and family members staying with each other. This is why I think that Charles is the one on the 1841 census - Ropsley is such a small place.

I could buy the marriage certificate, but as I have Blanche on the 1891 census with Ann Newton and Emily Newton and son George Herbert Newton (Newtons seemed to marry Newtons!) and given as a cousin, I assumed the link. Perhaps I ought to back it up by sending for the certificate, all the same. Thanks again Reggie - you have made me think!

I haven't got the marriage certificate yet - just his death certificate. He too was a licensed victualler, as was brother John Newton. However, I have census entries and know his wife was Mary Ann Durbin.

They would probably still be listed as 'cousins' if their fathers were cousins, as opposed to brothers........... Reg

Yes - I am going to have to order that certificate with my next batch. Then I shall clear it up once and for all!

Elizabeth, I think this might be the connection you're looking for: IGI (extracted record) John Newton & Isabella Clay Marriage: 18 JUL 1812 Braceby, Lincoln, England Chris

Chris - many thanks! I can't believe I never found this (not that I was looking for an Isabella!) So chuffed you found this - I think I shall have to pay a visit to the records office! I'm in the middle of cooking dinner and came back to the computer for a moment and saw your entry! Thanks again.

Chris - I have now been able to find the birth record for Anne Newton who was on the 1841 census. 16 Aug 1812 Braceby - note that it was only just one month after the wedding date!

Wonderful... it's really great when the clues all start coming together. :-) Chris

Thankyou very much Angela! I just spotted it first, it would have been cracked sooner or later. :-) Chris

Well done, Christine! I know where to come when I get a brickwall. Brilliant! Angela