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Hi Details below Cheryl

Hi My Grandparents are driving me ROUND THE BEND !!!!!! Here they are in 1901: 1 Wimpole St Notts Edwin Adkin Head 52 Coal Miner born NK Sarah Adkin Wife 56 Tailoress born Staffs Mary Adkin Dau 20 Dressing Room Bleacher born Notts( my Gran) Joseph Adkin Son 17 Coal Miner born Notts Ethel Adkins dau 8 born Notts 1891: 1 Dob Alley Notts Edwin Arkin Head 43 Coal Miner born Walsall Staffs Sarah Arkin Wife 45 Tailoress born Tamworth Staffs Lily Arkin Dau 16 Scholar born Tamworth Staffs Mary Arkin Dau 10 Born Hucknall Notts Joseph Arkin Son 6 Born Bulwell notts Robert Arkin Son 1 Born Bulwell Notts Their name is actually ATKINS. Can I hell find them in 1881 can anybody help Cheryl

im not having much luck Cheryl :-(

No, they have driven me round the bend too.

Hi Both Thanks for trying I think I've been round the bend and on my way back!!!!!! Do you think they could be on a part of the census thats missing? I've just looked on the 1891 again and by the side of Lily it says Dau and then where her occupation is it says ST, do you think that it could mean she was Edwins Step Daughter? Running out of ideas any suggestions? Cheryl x

The 'St' against Lily's name is in a different hand, and looks to be some sort of note added after the census was taken Reg

Hi Reggie Any idea what it could mean?? Cheryl x

me either. I tried looking for Edwin and Sarah and little joy, so I changed tactic and looked for Lily who should have been abt6 then. The only Lily with a father Edwin and mother Sarah that I've found is this one: Name: Lily Millward Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Edwin Mother's name: Sarah Ann Gender: Female Where born: Quarry Bank, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Kingswinford County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: 11 Delph Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Stourbridge Sub-registration district: Kingswinford ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arthur Millward 11 Edwin Millward 43 (manager of bricklayers - born Worcs, Lye) Edwin Millward (7months) James Millward 15 (labourer) Lily Millward 5 Miriam Millward 9 Richard T. Millward 2 Sarah Ann Millward 33 If this is them then I wouldn't know why the name change, or what happened to all the other children (maybe they died) Alternatively, they might have been missed, I have a family not on one of them and the husband is separate listed as widowed...but they then appear as a family again on the next one. it's my guess they may have been travelling at the time or something as they moved approx 250miles around that time.

Sorry, no luck. Tried Ancestry and Familysearch.

Hi Urban girl Tried to find Mary's birth certicate but no luck. Cheryl x

What do you reckon??? Name: Edward Atkin Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Tamworth, Leicestershire, England Civil parish: Hucknall Torkard County/Island: Nottinghamshire Street address: Limb Street Occupation: Coal Miner Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Bulwell ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward Atkin 30 Albert Brackwell 5 George Brackwell 11 Hannah Brackwell 45 James Brackwell 9 Joseph Brackwell 45 William Brackwell 19 William H. Brackwell 1 David Fox Do we know if Sarah is a second wife? Could the kids be hers and so we should be looking for her under a different surname? Do you have their marriage cert?

Do you have their marriage cert as there is an Edwin Atkin marrying Nottingham district April/May/June quarter of 1891. ALSO have you noticed a hefty gap between the last kiddie and the one before him?

I think we have it - the guy in lodgings in 1881 is a coal miner called Edward Atkin - look where he is lodging - Bulwell, Notts - now look at the birth of the last kiddies - Bulwell Notts I think you need to look for a death of Sarahs first hubby - and that marriage in 1891 looks likely their marriage. Sadly freebmd not showing the spouse

Hi Liz Not sure, as Edwin was always stated as a Coal Miner. Tracing him prior to his marriage has been a problem as he seems to have been adopted at an early age and his name changed. The only thing my Dad has told me was that his mother Mary had a brother who got killed in a Coal Mining Distaster, and my Dad was called after him. My Dad was called William Henry Foden. But I can't find a Mary with a brother of William or Henry. I'm sure I have the right family in 1901. Someone found me two marriages for Edwin Atkins and a Sarah. First one was in 1861 when he married Sarah Heard. But I can't find a Sarah Heard prior to the marriage stated as a Tailoress. The other is to a Sarah Flint in 1870. but again no trace of her prior to her marriage in 1870. I've found two births for a Robert Atkins in 1890 in Notts, I am just wondering if I send for those certifcates it might help. But knowing my luck they won't be the right one!!!! Thanks for trying Cheryl x

Hi Pam Thanks for trying Cheryl x

Looks like the birth for the youngest on 1891 census Name: Robert Atkins Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 203 Reg

Hi Heather You could be on to something!!!!!!! I was wondering if it was a second marriage for Sarah, especially as on the 1891 census there is a ST written by Lily's name where the occupation should be. I haven't got a marriage certificate no,I'm not convinced they were ever married. So if your right what I need is to now find a Sarah born Tamworth with daughter called Lily born 1876 in Tamworth and Mary born Notts 1881.You watch I bet Mary was born after the 1881 Census was taken. Thanks Cheryl x

Looks like a second marriage for Sarah and thats why he is alone in 1881. Id look at that marriage in Notts area for Edwin in early 1881 - money on it!

Do you not have Marys birth cert? That should give mums fullname and also her previous married name.

Speculating.........based on Lily b. Tamworth and mother Sarah. Name: Sarah Beals Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1858 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Alfred Gender: Female Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Nottingham St Mary County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: 12 Lotus St Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: St Ann ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alfred Beals 25 John Beals 13 mths Lilly Beals 5 Matilda Beals under 1 month Sarah Beals 23 Can't see this family in 1891......... This could be connected......... Name: Matilda Beale Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 0 DISTRICT: Nottingham County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 163 Reg