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Richard in Perth

Richard in Perth Report 18 Jun 2007 06:52

There was a Betty Mann baptised in Astley in 1821, which ties in with the age/place for your Betty (from the 1851 census): BETTY MANN Christening: 11 FEB 1821 Astley, Lancashire, England Father: CHARLES MANN Mother: ELEN Batch No: C036631 So the marriage that Horatio found above seems quite possible. Also, two of your Robert & Betty's children were called Charles & Ellen! She seemed to alternate between Betty & Elizabeth on her children's baptisms: Sarah <France> Christening: 24 JUL 1853 Halton, Cheshire, England Father: Robert France Mother: Betty Batch No: C396129 Alice <France> Christening: 04 APR 1858 Halton, Cheshire, England Father: Robert France Mother: Elizabeth Batch No: C396129 The best way to make sure that you have the right Betty/Elizabeth would be to get one of the children's birth certs, eg: Births Mar 1849 France Charles Runcorn 19 244 or... Births Jun 1860 France John Wesley Runcorn 8a 205

Richard in Perth

Richard in Perth Report 18 Jun 2007 06:50

Oh, and from Lancs BMD, confirmation that Elizabeth Mann was the partner of Robert France in the above marriage: Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1843 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference FRANCE Robert MANN Elizabeth Eccles Parish St Mary's Salford C1/6/137

Heather

Heather Report 17 Jun 2007 20:08

When was the oldest child to the first marriage born and where?

Horatia

Horatia Report 17 Jun 2007 17:19

Well my knowledge of Lancashire isn't good at all but there is an Elizabeth Mann appearing on this list with Robert France. Doesn't mean he married here though; but Betty is short for Elizabeth so this is just a wild guess! Marriages Dec 1843 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bann Jane Chorlton 20 136 France Robert Chorlton 20 136 Grimshaw George Chorlton 20 136 HUGHES Frances Chorlton 20 136 MANN Elizabeth Chorlton 20 136 Rigby Mary Chorlton 20 136 Steadman Christopher Chorlton 20 136 If you know the name of Robert's father, ordering the certificate might help. Cheers, Horatia

Mark

Mark Report 17 Jun 2007 17:09

Robert France 1821 was baptised 11 Aug 1821 died 1889 Astley, Leigh, Lancashire. Married Twice Firstly to Betty Maiden Name Unknown, second wife was Margaret Howard. Can anyone tell me what Betty's Maiden Name was. Roberts Mother was Bridget France 10/12/1791 Bedford, Leigh, Lancashire.