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I have hit a brick wall is there any one who could help I am trying to find my fathers family his name is Henry John Cooper his mother was called alice his father emmanuelle henry was born in 1915 crediton devon he had 3 sisters Dorothy who married jack bowden lived in appledore north devon. rose whos married name was coulston. and mary cooper they all grew up in the exeter area they are all deceased apart from my dad I knew there names only thanks sue sorry I have confused every one my fathers name is henry john cooper his father was emmanuelle john cooper his mother was alice

Im sorry cant quite follow your text there. Are you saying his father (your grandfather) is Emanuelle Henry and he was born in 1915? Who are you trying to find? Living relatives or ancestors please? I think you need to get your fathers birth certificate and that will give you both his parents full names - you can then work backwards from that solid info. if you are tracing his family tree.

Sue, To answer on here, click on Add Reply ................ then everyone can see your reply!! Much easier and more useful than putting up another thread or pm'ing. Sylvia

If I may, this may make it a little clearer! I am trying to find my fathers family his name is Henry John Cooper his mother was called alice his father emmanuelle henry was born in 1915 crediton devon he had 3 sisters:- Dorothy who married jack bowden lived in appledore north devon. rose whos married name was coulston. and mary cooper they all grew up in the exeter area they are all deceased apart from my dad I knew there names only thanks sue sorry I have confused every one my fathers name is henry john cooper his father was emmanuelle john cooper his mother was alice

From a thread posted by Sue ....... may help??? To Lynn Never Ending Story hi lynn thanks for reply its not the one henry john cooper was born in 1915 so the emmanuelle of 1903 would have been to young plus henry had 3 elder sisters but thank you anyway sue - - - I think she is referring to the marriage that Lynn found. I don't understand Sue's referring to the 1903 being 'too young', as this was the MARRIAGE of an Emmanuelle John Cooper to and Alice. Sounds very like poppa's marriage to me!!

IF Emmanuelle married Alice Rose Eyles, I wonder if this is her in 1891, living with her parnts in Crediton?? about Alice Eyles Name: Alice Eyles Age: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Francis M Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Bristol, Somerset, England Civil parish: Crediton Ecclesiastical parish: Crediton Town: Crediton County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Crediton Sub-registration district: Crediton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Eyles 41 Charles H Eyles 9 Francis M Eyles 40 Helen F Eyles 8 Herbert G Eyles 5/12 Lillie M Eyles 2 >>>>>Rose A Eyles 14 b. ca 1877, Exeter, Devon William G Eyles 10 Elizabeth Palmer 66 Florence Palmer 27 IGNORE THIS INFORMATION ............................ EMMANUELLE MARRIED ALICE CUDDIFORD

Lynne, I too looked on freebmd, and couldn't find Henry John, Henry or John Cooper born in 1915 +/- 2 years in Devon, let alone in Crediton. I also looked for Dorothy Cooper in Devon. No help. I looked for Cooper, mother's maiden name Eyles .......... no luck. Sylvia

Hi Lynne, I think the names are too much the same for it NOT to be the marriage of Emmanuelle and Alice. I also can't see that it is too early if Henry John was born in 1915, and his 3 sisters were all older than him ................ that's only 12 years between date of marriage and his birth! My grandparents were married in 1902, and the last of their 4 children was born in 1923!!! There appear to have been no stillbirths, miscarriages etc (and no family tales) in the intervals between 1903, 1910, 1915 and 1923. Sylvia

Lynne, was this the 1881 on fmailysearch? Individual Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Individual Next Individual -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emanuel J. COOPER Household Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Information: Birth Year <1875> Birthplace Lancashire, England Age 6 Occupation Marital Status Head of Household Henry COOPER Relation Son Disability -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Thorn Moor Cottage Census Place Clanaborough, Devon, England Family History Library Film 1341537 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2228 / 25 Page Number 7 Note they are living in Clanaborough Devon Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Henry COOPER Head M Male 36 South Tawton, Devon, England Laborer Eliza COOPER Wife M Female 36 Colebrooke, Devon, England Elizabeth COOPER Daur Female 15 Colebrooke, Devon, England Domestic Servt Anna M. COOPER Daur Female 11 Clannaborough, Devon, England Scholar Emanuel J. COOPER Son Male 6 Lancashire, England Alice A. COOPER Daur Female 3 Newton St Cyris, Devon, England William H. COOPER Son Male 1 Clannaborough, Devon, England Sylvia

I wonder if this is Emanuel John's birth registration?? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1875 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- COOPER Emanuel John Burnley 8e 225 Sylvia

Mother's maiden name was CUDDIFORD! Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1911 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cooper Dorothy G A Cuddiford St.Thomas 5b 113 so Emanuel married Alice Cuddiford in 1903, registered in Crediton Sylvia

fpund Henry John's birth registration!!!!! On the Complete Index on Ancestry:- Cooper, Henry J mmn Cuddiford, registered Crediton, vol 5b page 597. Sue ........ you should get this certificate from www.gro.gov.uk. It will cost you £7. Sylvia

Thanks Lynne!!! Quite a search!! Although it's mid-afternoon for me ............... I'm on the west coast of Canada!!! Sylvia

Found Dorothy mothers maiden name Cuddiford -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1911 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cooper Dorothy G A mmn Cuddiford St.Thomas 5b 113 Mothers full name - Alice Maud Cuddiford

Lynne, I've given up for the time being on some of mine ................. that's why I spend time on here helping others!!!! BTW ................ it was pouring with rain here this morning, but the sun is now trying to break through the clouds! Sylvia

I cannot find Emanuel John on the 1891 nor the 1901 censuses ......... I've tried under christian name (plus spelling variations), under Cooper alone, under born 1875 +/- 5 years, etc etc. I wonder if he was in the militarey and overseas or on a boat. SUE ...................... if you get your dad's or Dorothy's birth certificates, it will give you their father's occupation. Your dad's marriage certificate would also give his dad's occupation. Sylvia

Alice Maud's birth registration:-- Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1883 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cuddiford Alice Maud M Crediton 5b 439 Obtaining this would give you her parents names and occupation(s). Sylvia

To everyone who is helping with the cooper family thanks so much I have read them looks good by the way emmanuelle john cooper died is the first world war so I have just been told by a old friend when his son was very young maybe thats why we cant find him. thanks to every one for the effort sue .

I can't access that either! I tried Ellis Island, but can't seem to find him. Have to go out now ..................... we're meeting friends for dinner! I'll check back later Sylvia

SUE, You might want to post a new thread tomorrow asking if anyone has access to the US/Canada records on ancestry, and if so would they please check the Emanuel Cooper born England who crossed the border. It's a long shot, but we cannot find him on the 1891 nor 1901 censuses. If he died in the war (ie, was a serviceman) you should be able to find his death and where he was buried on the war graves site. Sylvia