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Hi Details below Cheryl x

The story so far!!!! I posted a request a couple of weeks ago regarding my Gran Mary Atkins. I got a lot of helpful advice. So here is the update after receiving certificates. Now more confused !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mary Atkins married Henry Foden in Nottingham in 1905. Her age was 24 years. Here father is listed as Edwin Atkins Coalminer. She died in 1923 aged 43 years. So date of birth is 1881. 1901 : 1 Wimpole St Notts Edwin Adkin Head 52 Coal Miner born NK Sarah Adkin Wife 56 Tailoress born Staffs Mary Adkin Dau 20 Dressing Room Bleacher born Notts( my Gran) Joseph Adkin Son 17 Coal Miner born Notts Ethel Adkins dau 8 born Notts 1891: 1 Dob Alley Notts Edwin Arkin Head 43 Coal Miner born Walsall Staffs Sarah Arkin Wife 45 Tailoress born Tamworth Staffs Lily Arkin Dau 16 Scholar born Tamworth Staffs Mary Arkin Dau 10 Born Hucknall Notts Joseph Arkin Son 6 Born Bulwell notts Robert Arkin Son 1 Born Bulwell Notts Their name is actually ATKINS. Reggie then found this: Name: Robert Atkins Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Basford County: Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 203 Certificate arrived : Robert Parents were Edward Atkins (Coalminer) and Sarah Kendall. Born on 12/03/1890 at 2 Main Street Bullwell. Andrea found this: 1872 marriages Edward Atkins 1872 Jul-Aug-Sep Tamworth Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire Sarah Rendall 1872 Jul-Aug-Sep Tamworth Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire Certificate arrived: 22nd Sept 1872 Marriage in Tamworth of Sarah Rendall (Tailor) father Joseph Taylor (Gardener) and Edward Atkins (Collier) father Thomas Atkins (Collier) She also found this: Name: Mary Atkins Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Tamworth County: Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire Volume: 6b Page: 453 Certificate arrived NOT MY MARY. Father stated as Charles Atkins (Collier) and mother Sarah Atkins formerly Phillips. I also have Lily Atkins marriage Certificate. She married on the 17/8/1895 in Basford Notts. Fathers name stated as Edward Atkins (Coal Miner). So are Edwin Atkins and Edward Atkins the same person??????????????????? Was my Gt Grandfather Edward or Edwin. Really need some advice as I am now totally lost. Cheryl x

Well Edward and Edwin were often interchanged,depended on local accents and if people couldnt read or write the difference wouldn't be noticed. I think you can only decide if they are the same person according to all the info you can find and then make a decision. I have a marriage cert of 1890 were the groom is listed as Darter instead of Dartnell( from London) and the bride as Ettterley instead of Hettreley (from Kent) married in Kent. The grooms dad tho is correctly listed and makes it the cincher plus i have found the couple on the 1891 census living in the same area. was a long shot when i decided to get the cert

Hi Shirley Thanks for your advice. I to think that Edward and Edwin are one in the same. I would feel more confident if I could find Mary's birth certifcate. But no luck as yet Thanks again Cheryl

If she had a middle name there is this birth:- Mary Catherine Atkins Dec. qtr. 1880, Downham, 4b, 852 (or 352, not sure). Downham would cover Hucknall. Kath. x

Could this help,or is she to young? birth Lilian Atkins 1877 Apr-May-Jun Tamworth Derbyshire, Staffordshire, Warwickshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Joseph Atkins 1886 Jul-Aug-Sep Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Florence Mary Atkins 1882 Jan-Feb-Mar Basford Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire

I'd agree with Shirley with the Edward/Edwin thing... On the birth cert search... don't forget that ''She died in 1923 aged 43 years. So date of birth is 1881.'' actually mean she could have been born in 1880. Her given-age at the censuses would mean she could have been born any time from beginning April 1880 to and March 1881 (allowing a day or two at the beginning and end for the varying census dates). According to Genuki, Hucknall Torkard comes under Basford District (unless it's the other Hucknall 'under Huthwaite' - which comes under Mansfield). The Ancestry BMD search using Soundex, gives some possibilities. Christine

Downham is Norfolk? Hucknall is Nottinghamshire? Christine

Hi Kathleen Mary didn't have a middle name. I know she was definately born in either Nottingham or Tamworth Thanks for your help Cheryl x

Hi Jim Thanks for your interested I have just send for Lillian's birth certificate I'm keeping my fingers crossed it is the right one. My Gran only had one name so I don't think the Florence Mary is her. Joseph is another child of Edward Atkins and Sarah Kendall, he is brother to Robert. Cheryl x

Hi Christine. I am 99% sure that Mary's parents were Edward Atkins and Sarah Kendall. Will try BMD's again trying 1880 for her birth. I'm sure my Dad said her birthday was in June, he told me quite a few things about her but when your little you don't take it in regretfully. Thanks for your interest. Cheryl x

I checked on my parish records CD for Nottinghamshire ... I have Joseph ATKINS, baptised 30/6/1886 at Bulwell St. Mary. Father Edward and mother Sarah. Father's profession is listed as Collier. Abode is 1 Betts Yard. Sarah ATKINS, baptised 6/6/1888 at Hucknall Torkard St. John. Father Edward and mother Sarah. Father's profession is listed as Collier. Abode is Orchard Street. Robert ATKINS, baptised 26/3/1890 at Bulwell St. Mary. Father Edward and mother Sarah. Father's profession is listed as Miner. Abode is not listed. There is also a EDWIN ATKINS with wife Sarah listed as the father of ANNIE, born 20/9/1866 and baptised 1/12/1878 at Nottingham St. Mary.

Hi Charles Thankyou for your info. I have sent you a PM. Hope you don't mind Cheryl x