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Can some lovely kind person please have a look for me on a marriage for Donald Philip Johnston on overseas marriages please, I am desperately trying to find his marriage between 1881 and 1922, which doesnt appear to be in Britain, I have his second marriage in 1923 in Coventry. Many many thanks if you can help. Kal xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi Kal, I have looked and couldn't find anything. I don't have access to marriages at sea, however. (Although there won't be that many!) Sorry to have drawn a blank.

I am presuming that as you are looking for a marriage after 1881 that you have him on earlier census. 1871 is this him? Name: Donald Johnston Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: St Michael Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Johnston 13 Donald Johnston 9 Louis Johnston 6 Margaret Johnston 21 Maria Johnston 48 Rosanna Johnston 19 Thomas Johnston 51 Thomas Johnston 15 1881 Name: Donald Johnstone Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Mother's name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Coventry St Michael County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Far Gosford Str No 4 Court 1 Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Bicycle Fitter Registration district: Coventry Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Gyde 19 William Gyde 26 Alexander H. Johnstone 23 Donald Johnstone 19 Louis Johnstone 17 Maria Johnstone 58 John Powell 11 Name: Donald Philip Johnston Year of Registration: 1862 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: Coventry County: Warwickshire, West Midlands Volume: 6d Page: 441 Have you managed to find him on 1891 or 1901 census? Maureen

Glitter baby, Yes that is him, I have him on the 1871 and 1881 census. I cannot find him on the 1891 and 1901 census, I have his marriage in 1923 in Coventry to Elizabeth Ann Head. But cannot find his first marriage. Donald is 60 and a widower a labourer at gas works father is Thomas Head. He married Elizabeth Ann Head a widow age 59 formerly Smith, I can also not find a marriage of Elizabeth Ann Smith to Mr Head Nor can i find Elizabeth on the 1891 and 1901. I do have Elizabeth Ann Head on the electoral register in Coventry in 1919, so i am presuming her hubby MR Head died before 1919. Elizabeth Ann (Smith ) Head is the sister of my gt grandfather. I know loads about her but i just cannot find her marriage to MR head after 1883. She was born in Juloy 1863 in St Sidwell, Exeter but christened in Coventry in the Nivember of 1863. In 1883 she had an illigitmate daughter Sarah Jane Smith in Coventry, So she must have married between 1883 and 1922. In 1881 she is with her grandfather David Smith in Jordan Well Coventry, I have her before this but not after. I am trying to piece together her life lol grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr This is driving me absolute nuts lol Kal xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Ps have to go out now im afraid will be back this afternoon

found this on ancestry, donald johnson,married birmingham april qtr 1909 6d page 75.x

The marriage that Suzanne found above: Donald Johnson 1909 Apr-May-Jun Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire Sarah Ann Robinson 1909 Apr-May-Jun Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire Deb:)

1891 have you ruled this one out? Name: Elizabeth A Smith Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Lodger Gender: Female Where born: Exeter, Devon, England Civil parish: Kensington Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Matilda Askey 49 Emma Howes 56 Catherine O Brian 36 Arthur Orme 43 Elizabeth A Smith 27 Jame Webb 52 Helen Webster 13 Jane Webster 59 Walter Webster 24 William Webster 56 1901 have you ruled out this one- listed as widow? Name: Elizabeth A Head Age: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Exeter, Devon, England Civil parish: Chelsea Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Chelsea County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Chelsea, North ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 234 Household Members: Name Age Matilda Ashey 60 Elizabeth A Head 37

Hi Folks Suzanne the marriage is a possibility but im not sure. Glitter baby yes i had seen the 1901 she is the only candidate that i can find and the 1891 i had not seen but i am now thinking it is the same Elizabeth as Matilda Askey/Ashley is with her on both census. So i now have to find the head marriage, lol which would seem to be in the London area and not Warwickshire as i had thought and also the death of MR Head. Many many thanks Kal My Smith family have never been where they should be and never with the right families.

Had you also spotted this one - wonder if Matilda is related in anyway. Marriages Sep 1879 (>99%) ASKEY George St. Saviour 1d 169 May Daniel St Saviour Southwark 1d 169 Scott Mary Fanny St Saviour Southwark 1d 169 SMITH Matilda St Saviour Southwark 1d 169 1881 Name: Matilda Askey Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1841 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey Civil parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 12 Elfin Road Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Kennington Second ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Askey 50 Matilda Askey 40 Thomas Epps 63 Maureen

Hi Maureen, I spent the whole afternoon tracking the other Matilda Askey born c 1841 City Road, Middlesex in Chelsea to see if that was the one as on the 1891 and 1901 with Elizabeth Smith she is said to be single although i know this means nothing lol on the census. And to see if i could see any relation to my Elizabeth and found no connection. I have also looked for Mr Head and Elizabeth Smith marriages, and came up with two Harry Head to Elizabeth Smith in 1899 in Lymington and William James Smith to Annie Smith in Hackney in 1900 both sets are aliving and kicking in 1901. I doubt that i am ever going to find this marriage. Part of my problem is i just do not know the areas of London. lol so not knowing areas doesn't help me, lol I do very much appreciate your input as i have been looking for this info for years and have picked it up again to try and sort it. Kal xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx