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I have Henry Ford a Carter/Waggoner/gen lab born c1853 either Birmingham Warks or Walsall Staffs....or? This info was from his marriage 14-7-1877 aged 24. Walsall Staffs. Wife Elizabeth Pilliner b Herefordshire. His father was John Ford (deceased)<<<MY PROBLEM! Info confirmed by childrens birth certs. (One being my grandad)All born in Walsall Staffs. The problem!......I cannot find a birth for Henry Ford or find Henry with Parents John Ford and Mother ? !!!! Henry was still alive in 1907 but dead before 1913 but thats another problem...Ok Ok I know! I'm rambling!....lol sorry. Can anyone find a Henry Ford with a Father John Ford? The midlands?? please please pretty please? Gerri x

1861 census maybe Name: Henry Ford Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 63 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Ford 36 widow Henry Ford 7 Rebecca Ford 20 June x

Thanks girls I had seen that one june...but...aaagghhh! Just seen another bit of info...John Ford was a bricklayer. Gerri x

Birth registration wasn't compulsory till 1875.........he may simply not have been registered........... And 'deceased' fathers were often a cover for illegitimacy............ Reg

Do you only have John Ford's name on the marriage certificate for Henry or have you got other proof of his existence? If so could he be a 'made up' father to cover the fact that Henry was illegitimate? Many illegitimate children suddenly acquire a 'deceased' father for their marriage to give a sense of respectability in front of the in-laws. Kath. x

I do realise that Reg but why cant I find him on any census? Also his father John the brickie? Gerri x

The Henry Ford that June found in 1861 looks like a good bet to me. Do you have a reason for discounting him? Kath. x

I have nothing else on John Kath....sigh! While this threads been running I have been looking for deaths..Just found a good one for John Ford 1860 Q3 Birmingham 6d-30. 1861 census night was 7 April. Off to splash the cash....Sshhhhhh Gerri x

Kath I think your right but shame theres no Father John :-(( I'm sending for that cert and see if that gives any clues. Thanks everyone for your time and help. Gerri x

1871 for that one i found in 1861 Name: Alvey Ford Age: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Relation: Son Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Asaph County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 92 Household Members: Name Age Alvey Ford 17 image reads Henry Elizabeth Ford 45 1851 census Name: Elizabeth Ford Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Birmingham St Thomas County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: /married Disability: View image Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St Thomas ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Ford 28 Rebecca Ford 10 William Ford 8 Thomas Hawkins 3 June x

June You little darling you!!!! many many thanks. Had second thoughts on what everyone said about his father being a made up name....If Henry was only a Gen lab. and Father John was a bricklayer....seems a bit odd that he diddnt follow in his fathers footsteps dont you think? I hate liars! I hate Henry and I hate John I also hate this hobby!! Not really lol Thanks again for all your time and effort. Gerri x