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The 1862 marriage cert should have an address for the groom - is it the same as the 1861 census which you think may be the right man?

Regarding you questions, AG has given you the best response in that regard

There is a tree owner on Ancestry with
Mary Marriott (Maryatt)
Born: 1842 in Wednesbury, Staffs
0 attached records
0 attached sources

You could consider taking up a free trial on Ancestry with a view to contacting them
Although with no records or sources shown it could be a stretch

Perhaps another member with FMP (FindMyPast) could also have a look at trees for you, if it hasn't already been done.

Oh thats a shame, I suppose we have to admit defeat on certain lines of enquiry, so sad isn't it.. It just so happens to be the line that i'm the most interested in.

Doesnt help that its a common name.

Re your post at 19:00 -

No, Mary wouldn't have had to give the name of the father.


I wouldn't be too hopeful of more info re her workhouse stay.

You could try asking the Dudley Archives:
https://www.dudley.gov.uk/things-to-do/dudley-borough-libraries/archives-and-local-history-service/

But they probably wouldn't have any more than you have already - just her date of being there.

Re your post at 18:54 -

No - the Staffordshire records office only has Staffordshire records.

I doubt if you'll ever know exactly where in Ireland he was born, or when.
His name is too common.

Jink20

Yes I saw that site for Mary, however it doesn't mention anything relating to her at all does it. Do you know if there's anyway to find out more information. I'm assuming that her stay there was to give birth only. Do you know how I would find that out ? Do you know if she would have had to give the name of a father for the baby?

Thank you so much, I'm beginning to realise that I know very little when it comes to searching, I know the basics and that's all, you lot are a wealth of knowledge.

So do you think that if I contacted the Staffordshire records office they'd be able to provide me with further information? Eg where he was born ?

Deb Re: Entry 29 Nov 2024 20:15

Mary the mother @ Union House Sedgley.

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/Dudley/

As John is proving difficult to find, I will throw out some straw clutching suggestions......

The National Archives does not hold personnel records for miners. Records containing information about individual miners and other mining industry staff, if they survive, are more likely to be found in local record offices.

https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/Heritage-and-archives/Local-and-community-history/Businesses/Coal-mining.aspx

The mine was leased from the Earl of Dudley have you considered contacting their estate

From what I have been reading miners may have had Union membership, if they still exist, perhaps John's membership would offer you a place of birth etc etc

Mining inspectorate accident investigation report- does one exist and would it have included any of John's personal information?

Coroners report, if there was an inquest
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Thank you, that's going to be a problem for me as I have absolutely no idea which area of Ireland, and with such a common name it's difficult to search. Growing up in my mums side of the family there was always talk by my Grandad of the Irish connection, but we never knew where abouts that was. To be honest I didn't think it would be so far back. Out of all my ancestors this side has always been a mystery and difficult to find.
The coal mine information has been fascinating though, somehow seems to make it more real when you can see actual facts written about them.

Civil Registration of Births in Ireland began in 1864 before this you are looking at Church Records for a Baptism, you need to know the County. Parish and Townland and Religion before you can begin a search. Many records of early births do not show parents names only the Parish and sponsors names, If you are lucky and your ancestor comes from larger Cities such as Dublin there may be more information on the actual Baptismal Cert.

Hope you find what you’re seeking

Thank you ,sorry for not continuing on the original post, we live and learn and as it was 3 years ago.
I appreciate all your help.

Thanks AG…..

This is that thread - but it's about the Marriott side of the family:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1396197

This one is about the Burkes - and includes Mary Ann's birth record:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1395955

Please add a link to your original post. (C&P the URL) No doubt a lot of the work done then has been duplicated, which is why the site says ‘one post per topic’

Just gone back on my post from 2021

Some of you posted on there and it seems we got lots more info. The post is
Marriages around 1830's

I've been a bit sporadic with this side of the family tree and life has got in the way quite a bit, but it's this particular family that I really want to crack so going to try get my head back in the game.... she says :-D

Oh wow thank you so much for that information, that's so sad but very interesting to read.
I'll be sure to pass this on to his direct descendants who were miners too until the pits closed.

I've searched all night for Mary Ann & Catherine to no avail.

Thanks everyone for your expert help and the links provided.

Oh wow thank you so much for that information, that's so sad but very interesting to read.
I'll be sure to pass this on to his direct descendants who were miners too until the pits closed.

I've searched all night for Mary Ann & Catherine to no avail.

Thanks everyone for your expert help and the links provided.

... THREE MEN CRUSHED TO DEATH IN A MINE.
A shocking and fatal accident took place on a portion of the Round's Hill Colliery, Princes End, Tipton, on Tuesday afternoon. Messrs. Fowler and Shale, brickmasters, have a -large brickyard in the neighbourhood and have leased a pit, known as “Fowler’s Pit,” from the Earl of Dudley, in order to raise coal to make the articles of their trade, and it is at this pit that the occurrence has taken place. Messrs. Fowler and Shale have given the pit into the charge of two [ clarteimasters mm d Dunkl-sy I rd ], and [ tnese ] the coal is raised to the surface. At one clock the men employed in the pit, the number about twenty, left off work and retired to the bottom of the shaft, as usual, to have their dinners. This was over, three men. named William [?], William Marsden, and John Burke, who were bandsmen, proceeded their work few minutes previous the others. The moment they entered the still to load the coal which had been thrown down, a great mass of coal fell upon them and completely smothered them. An alarm was at once given the men who [?] at the bottom of the shaft, and assistance was soon rendered. The [ aud three b.n lsfu lsful imu ] about twenty number, went down, and proceeded at once to remove the coal, give relief, if possible, to the buried men. After hour and a half had elapsed, the body of Burke was recovered and sent to the top. It was frightfully mangled. Very little progress was then made, and was after five o’clock when the mutilated bodies of the other men were found.


Published: Saturday 12 June 1869
Newspaper: Staffordshire Sentinel
County: Staffordshire, England