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Hi,

Can anyone tell me if there is a way of finding details on a marriage record without having to buy one.

I'm trying to locate the parent of the husband and wondered if I could get this without the marriage certificate.

Thanks.

You can look at the GRO index free on freeBMD. Some parish marriage records are free to view online.

Welcome to the boards Elaine

Is this a recent marriage?

If not, if you care to give some details we maybe able to help you

The fathers name will only be mentioned if known or in some cases invented

For which country......and when?

I'll let Elaine knows that she has reply to her query. :-)

Hi,

Thanks for replying.

In answer to all queries.

The marriage is from1908 in Crawcrook, which was classed as Durham back then.

The name of the person is Thomas Noble born approx 1867. The marriage I have was to Annie Glaister.

The issue I have is there is a family who's head is blackbird noble. I don't think this is the line I am looking for and that was what I was trying to prove or rule out.

On another note. What do you do when the person you are looking for does not seem to exist before the marriage. The person in question is my great grandfather, he was born in about 1920 so to young for census. any suggestions for this one will be very much appreciated.

Thank you again.

I forgot to mention. The marriage to Annie was his 2nd one as the first one died we think.

Don't know if this make a difference or not.

Name: Thomas Noble
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 25 Sep 1867
Christening Place: WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND
Birth Date: null
Birthplace: null
Death Date: null
Name Note: null
Race: null
Father's Name: Blackbird Noble
Father's Birthplace: null
Father's Age: null
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace: null
Mother's Age: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: D19770-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: unknown
Reference ID: null

1871 Census
5 Records found



Piece: RG10/5064 Place: Gateshead -Co. Durham Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Whickham Ecclesiastical Parish: Whickham
Folio: 36 Page: 21 Schedule: 100
Address: Dunston

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
NOBLE Blackbird Head M M 33 Waterman Co. Durham - Dunston
NOBLE Elizabeth Wife M F 35 Northumberland - Corbridge
NOBLE Matthew Son - M 9 Scholar Co. Durham - Dunston
NOBLE Thomas Son - M 4 Scholar Co. Durham - Dunston
NOBLE Blackbird Son - M 1 Co. Durham - Dunston

Name: Blackbird Noble
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 30 Jun 1837
Christening Place: WHICKHAM,DURHAM,ENGLAND
Birth Date: null
Birthplace: null
Death Date: null
Name Note: null
Race: null
Father's Name: Thomas Noble
Father's Birthplace: null
Father's Age: null
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace: null
Mother's Age: null
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00208-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 91143, 91144
Reference ID: null

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
GLAISTER Annie Gateshead 10a 1702
HOWD Ann Gateshead 10a 1702
LAWSON Alphonsus Gateshead 10a 1702
NOBLE Thomas Gateshead 10a 1702

Go to:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND
If you browse down the following link:
England, Durham Diocese B...'s Transcripts, 1639-1919 > Durham > Whickham > 1835-1853 > Image 32 of 357
you'll see the image for the record safc posted at 21:29 - well, almost. Safc's post is an extract from the parish register - this image is from the Bishop's transcripts (which were the church's own back-up copies).
[I am also descended from a family of keel boatmen - in my case, they operated from the Ouseburn, 1km below the Tyne bridge, rather than Dunston, 2km above the bridge.]

One generally cannot see the GRO records for free - the only free info is from the GRO index (and the local index, when this is available, e.g., via:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd
in particular, here: http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/ NB - the local index doesn't always have the same info as the GRO index - of course the refs differ, but there's info in the local ref).
However, for CofE marrs, the GRO only has a copy of the church's official register. Completed original church rego's are usually deposited in some archive - typically the county records office.
Some of these rego's have been imaged and sometimes transcribed, and these are often online.
GR/FMP have some from Co Durham. The Durham BTs I referred to above usually don't have marrs post-1837 online, but they might be transcribed by FS at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1473015


Births Dec 1862 (>99%)
Noble Matthew Gateshead 10a 584

Births Sep 1867 (>99%)
Noble Thomas Gateshead 10a 702

Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
Noble Blackbird Gateshead 10a 800

If I click on the "Gateshead" link, then the more info "here" link, I get:
GATESHEAD REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Durham.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Gateshead, Gateshead First, Gateshead Second, Heworth, Whickham, Winlaton.
GRO volumes : XXIV (1837–51), 10a (1852–1946), 1A (1946–74).
Registers now held by : Gateshead.

followed by the villages, etc in Gateshead RD, and how boundary changes affected them.

Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
Bell Elizabeth Newcastle T 10b 90
Cairns Margaret Newcastle T 10b 90
Noble Blackbird Newcastle T. 10b 90
Wilkinson John Newcastle T 10b 90

Here's a local search at Gateshead:
MATTHEW NOBLE
Born: Q4 1862
Register: WHK9\341

Thomas NOBLE
Born: Q3 1867
Register: WHK12\18

Blackbird NOBLE
Born: Q2 1870
Register: WHK13\251

Now a local index has to say which subdistrict they were rego'ed in, as well as what rego they appear in, so we may guess that WHK is Whickham (and they're in Whickham rego # 9/12/13).
the last item in a local ref is an entry or page #. Here it's an entry # as there were 500 entries in a local rego, but only 100 pages (250 pages for marrs).
Marrs nearly always use entry #s, so one can match who wed whom.

Here's a N/c look up:
1862 NOBLE Blackbird
1862 BELL Elizabeth
Marriage venue - St John the Baptist
Register No./Entry No.
EJD22/284

It's often tricky to guess which church a code like EJD stood for, but here they translate it for you.
Codes with RO in them are usually the registrar's own register for rego office marrs, and non-conformist churches that weren't authorized to keep an official rego.
This would be almost all non-conformists, pre-1898, but RCs weren't authorized until (I think) the 1980s.
Jews were authorized, and usually have a church code beginning with J or S, and Quakers, whose code usually began with Q or F.

Thanks you two. Lot's to look at. Mind blowing.

No doubt I'll be asking more questions. :-)

Thanks you two. Lot's to look at. Mind blowing.

No doubt I'll be asking more questions. :-)

The 1911 for the Thomas who married Annie:


1911 England Census
Thomas Noble
Age in 1911:44
Estimated birth year:abt 1867
Relation to Head:Head
Birth Place:Whickham, Durham, England
Civil Parish:Crawcrook
County/Island:Durham
Country:England
Street address:3 Broomfield Terrace Crawcrook Ryton On Tyne
Marital Status:Married
Occupation:Colliery Fireman
Registration district:Gateshead
Registration District Number:557
Sub-registration district:Winlaton
ED, institution, or vessel:27

Thomas Noble 44
Annie Elizabeth Noble 32
Robert Thomas Noble 13
Annie Elizabeth Georgina Noble 12 - Glaister on image
William Noble 7
Hannah Lilian Noble 1
Stanley Noble 5/12

I can't find the above Thomas in 1901. I think the only way you will find out his father is by buying the marriage cert.

Thanks. The above info appears to be the right family. I think I agree with you.

Thank you for finding this.

Is there anywhere that I can find out what a person died of.

I know that a couple of family members died young. The male I think will have been down the mines as alot of my family were from mining villages, both here and cumbria.

I think you'll need to get the death certificates for that.

Is there a way I can get a list or view a list of miners who worked in specific pits? :-)