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Unregistered birth?
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Madmeg | Report | 29 Jun 2010 23:49 |
Has this one been mentioned? |
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Janet | Report | 29 Jun 2010 21:11 |
Thanks Potty, yes I do have John's birth certificate and no time on it! I think Albert must always remain a mystery - even his own son was in doubt as to the parentage and figured it was probably Annie. The fact that Albert came to NZ to join Annie after old Hannah died possibly reinforces that. Still strange that his birth wasn't registered, unless as others have suggested, it was under a different name. That doesn't quite seem right to me though. Oh well! |
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Potty | Report | 29 Jun 2010 16:52 |
Do you have the birth cert for the John you think might possibly be Albert's twin? If he was a twin, the cert would have time of birth on it. If it does, try contacting the relevant register office and ask them to check who the twin was. I have known in the past for only one of twins to be in the GRO index. |
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Madmeg | Report | 28 Jun 2010 23:51 |
Just to add, I do have a family in my own tree where the parents insisted on recording a child as their own on censuses - and she was the grandchild. So I am not dismissing that as a possibility here. But in that case I had other evidence that she was not the granchild. |
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Madmeg | Report | 28 Jun 2010 23:45 |
In the absence of a lot of information that you say you don't want repeating, I am hard pushed to imagine why you suspect that Albert was not the son of Hannah. |
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Janet | Report | 28 Jun 2010 23:17 |
Quite agree Sylvia - my grandmother always thought her birthday was 30 June until she applied for her birth certificate when she was in her 60s or 70s and found it was the 29th June! Turns out I have discovered her half brother (John Key) was 30 June a few years earlier. I'm starting to think seriously about the twin issue as far as Albert and John are concerned. Wish I could get a baptism... |
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SylviaInCanada | Report | 28 Jun 2010 22:29 |
Meg |
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Janet | Report | 28 Jun 2010 22:14 |
Yes Nicky, that is the same one, thanks. I also have Ellen in the previous census living with her sister Annie in Skipton. Her daughter (Hannah Key, my grandmother) was living in Whitehaven in 1901 with her godmother. Ellen obviously wasn't a very good mother! I have Albert in 1891 living with Hannah Pattinson as her 3 year old son. I still think she was really his grandmother! |
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Janet | Report | 28 Jun 2010 22:01 |
Madmeg - please do not spend anymore time floundering! Thank you for your help. |
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Janet | Report | 28 Jun 2010 21:59 |
Thank you all for your comments. I appreciate the help you are giving, but to be honest, you are doubling up on what I have. I will give a quck precis: Hannah and Dan Pattinson were married around 1870. They had Ellen (b. 1871) and Annie (b.1873). Ellen married James Key in 1887 in Leeds and John was born the same year in Thirsk (30.6.87). I have ongoing information about John and James and am not interested in going any further. Ellen left James and John and went back to Whitehaven. She gave birth to my grandmother, Hannah in 1892. That is a different story and I have researched that. Annie married in UK and came to NZ in the 1890s, I have that information,b ut it is not totally relevant at this stage. I have wondered over the years if it was possible that Ellen gave birth to twins, John and Albert and only registered John? Albert was brought up as the son of Hannah and Dan, but Dan was dead well before Albert was born! As noted, Albert's birth date could have been "made up", it was only a few months after John's. Food for thought? Thank you all again, but please don't go into too much history of this family. Is it possible to search baptism records? |
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Madmeg | Report | 28 Jun 2010 21:35 |
Oh, Sylvia, were you thinking he was Pattinson? I did see it and wondered. |
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SylviaInCanada | Report | 28 Jun 2010 21:31 |
...... and what about that EDWARD ALLINSON whose birth registration I found registered in Whitehaven, and posted at about 1:00 am UK time this morning?? |
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Nickydownsouth | Report | 28 Jun 2010 21:00 |
Think this may be Annie with her father in 1881...so she wasn`t in New Zealand then... |
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Nickydownsouth | Report | 28 Jun 2010 20:50 |
Hannahs death in 1901..... |
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Madmeg | Report | 28 Jun 2010 20:45 |
And therefore: |
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Nickydownsouth | Report | 28 Jun 2010 20:42 |
Janet could you please give us all the information you have on Albert. especially if you have his arrival in New Zealand......I would be dubious about exact date of birth coming from his son, people often don`t know the exact date of birth of their parents and can sometimes be out by quite a bit. |
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Nickydownsouth | Report | 28 Jun 2010 20:37 |
Right got him in 1891..with "mother Hannah" in Whitehaven Cumbria.. |
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Madmeg | Report | 28 Jun 2010 20:33 |
I am now spending a lot of time floundering in the dark for the Key family, and for Annie, Ellen and Hannah Pattinson. |
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Janet | Report | 28 Jun 2010 20:33 |
I got Albert's date of birth from his now deceased son and it is on his army records. I also have his marriage certificate. His son also had the details of the ship and date he supposedly came to NZ, but I haven't been able to tie in the dates. All a bit of a mystery! Thank you all for your help. |
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Nickydownsouth | Report | 28 Jun 2010 20:32 |
Right I`m getting confused now..... |
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