Genealogy Chat

Grandfather (George Miller) appears in both 1901 and 1911 census
as born 1877.
His death as shown on Headstone was Nov 6 1953 age 77.
It just doesn't add up...I calculate his age at death as 76 or year of birth 1876.

Am I missing something here ?

No George..... Any death information is only as reliable as the informant....maybe whoever registered the death/arranged the headstone thought he was a year younger than he actually was...or depending on when in the year his birth was in relation to his date of death, it can alter an age....

His birth cert. would confirm exact date of birth.....census info can be notoriously unreliable....especially with ages...


Nicky

Thanks for that Nicky. Out of a choice of 3 Birth Certificates
George Miller 1876
George Miller 1876
George Miller 1877 I have applied for 1877.

Keeping my fingers crossed that I'm right (or its£7 down the drain !)

Do you have his fathers name from his marriage cert.? or earlier census.?

If so you can order the cert. with a reference check using fathers name...if its not the same name they will refund £3.00....hence only costing £4.00 a cert. till you get the correct one.

Is there any info on the census {Birthplace} that will help you pinpoint the correct one...have you asked for help on here with that?

If you want some help put up the details and see if anyone can narrow down your search.


Nicky

Yes..his fathers name was George Miller, somewhat predictable!

I believe the 'reference check' has been discontinued

George..... just because I am a very nosey person is this your Grandfather;

1901 England Census
about George Miller
Name: George Miller
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret A
Gender: Male
Where born: Ghead, Durham, England

Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Blacksmith

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 212
Household Members: Name Age
George Miller 24
Margaret A Miller 26
George Miller 2


1911;
HOUSEHOLD MILLER GEORGE M 1877 34 Gateshead Durham Occupation; Blacksmith


Dee x


waves at Nicky.

2 of the entries on the Birth Register show 'Gateshead' (both 18760
The other entry (1877) shows 'Durham'

I'm certain his birthplace is Gateshead but as the date of birth is 1876,
I,ve opted for the 1877 because Gateshead is in Durham

George remember that the census age can be out by nearly 1 full year, if George was born April 28th 1876 then this would show on a census of the birth at 1877....... so I would definately be looking at the 1876 births for him.


these would be my guesses;

Births Sep 1876 (>99%)
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MILLER George Gateshead 10a 902

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Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
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Miller George Gateshead 10a 872



His father was a Stoker in 1881... so maybe an occupation check??


Dee x

'Nosey' BatMansDaughter, yes, you are 100% correct but I'm still swimming in a sea of uncertainty. Just have to wait and see if I get the correct BC

It is difficult with such a popular name George, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.


From "Nosey" Dee x

If I am on the right track, you are correct that his occupation was Stoker in 1881. presume a Stoker could be a Railway Fireman as the 1891census
shows him as an Engine Driver. (promotion perhaps?)

I thank you for your observation re dates. Unfortunately, too late, for the current application. I wish I'd sought advice earlier.

I''let you know what transpires

Ray

Hi George,

Yes, looks like his father had a promotion in the work place;

1881 England Census
about George Miller
Name: George Miller
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Barbara
Gender: Male
Where born: Low Lambton, Durham, England

Civil parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 50 Chichester St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Stoker

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Miller 30
Barbara Miller 31
Jas. Wm. Miller 6
Geo. Miller 4


Just going to have a quick look on the 1871.


Dee x

Might be a good idea to use mothers name Babara as reference check on future orders, if this one on order isn`t the correct one..........would have thought there would be less chance of George Miller with mother babara being duplicated than George miller with a father of the same name.......only 2 come up on the 1881 in the time frame, and the other one hasn`t a father called George so fingers crossed you`ve got the right one...


Waves to Dee......who`s as nosey as me!!....


ooohh that rhymes...

1881 Census taken on night of 3rd/4th April....so he must have been born after 5th April 1876 and before 2nd april 1877 if

tihe age of 4 is correct on the 1881 census.


1891 census taken 5th/6th April

1901 Census taken 31st March/1st April.


Nicky

Uumm.... not sure that the 1871 would help?

George, if you need advice at any time regarding your Ancestry queries, just ask like you have earlier..... us "Nosey" people on here are always more than happy to help.


Dee x

Looks like Nicky's changing her hobby???


Dee x

Nick and Dee. Thanks for that. I'll let you know the result and no doubt be seeking help again.

Cheers

Ray

if ever in doubt always try here first before spending your money.....us super sleuths { polite name for Nosey} are always willing to poke our noses...{sorry I mean investigate further} in to anyones family history


lol



nicky

I've never looked at an English 1911 census, but certainly on the 1901, there's no year of birth mentioned. What appears is George's age of 24.

When sites like Ancestry, etc, report a yob, they just subtract the age from the census year to get 1877, even though it's the wrong year abt 75% of time. They do the same calculation for the Canadian census of 1861, even though the nominal date for that census is 14/1/1861, so the yob is wrong abt 96% of time (but again, the yob doesn't appear - at least not on that census). Once you understand it's just a convention, then it's not really a problem, and it does simplify specifying searches.