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Yes thats Emily and Albert Pickin living with the Carter family, but there is a mistake in that it says she is Thomas Carter's daughter and Albert is their son-in -law.
Emily's parents were Henry Severy GAGE and wife Susan. I have no idea why they are there and named so, My grandmother Florence was born a few months later at 1 wapping High street at the Scots arms pub and later in a month or two they moved in with Albert's parents in Odessa Road ,Forest gate to live with them. Yet another mystery.

Thankyou for all the info . You have been a fantastic help.Thankyou to you all

I think this is them too.

1901 census - household transcription
Person: PICKIN, Emily R
Address: 17, Dyers Hall Road, Low Leyton
CARTER, Thos J Head Married M 58 1843 Coppersmith
Woolwich
London VIEW
CARTER, Sarah L Wife Married F 53 1848
Stibbard
Norfolk VIEW
PICKIN, Albert E Son-In-Law Married M 24 1877 Clerk In Spirit Trade
Staffordshire VIEW
PICKIN, Emily R Daughter Married F 23 1878
Hackney
London

So sorry to confuse things. yes that is the Pickin family on 1911 census. You did well to find that I have been searching for ages under the names Pickin and picken. I never thought of such a simple thing as Peckin. Thankyou for that.


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1911 census - household transcription
Person: NEALE, Thomas
Address: 4 Hartley Street Bethnal Green

NEALE, Thomas Father Head Widower M 45 1866 Painter House Haggerston VIEW
NEALE, Thomas Son Single M 21 1890 Packer And Porter Hackney Wick VIEW
NEALE, Rose Daughter Single F 17 1894 Silk Work Bethnal Green VIEW
NEALE, Annie Daughter Single F 15 1896 Silk Work Bethnal Green VIEW
NEALE, Laura Daughter F 14 1897 Silk Work Bethnal Green VIEW
NEALE, Jack Son M 12 1899 School Bethnal Green VIEW
NEALE, William Son M 8 1903 School Bethnal Green

Pleasse be more careful about the information you give . You gave the impression Emily was there in 1901. Also the Neale family are not there in 1901.

Might this be Emily and Ethel?
1911 census - household transcription
Person: PECKIN, Ethel
Address: 26 Kettlebaston Road Leyton E

PECKIN, Albert Head Married M 34 1877 Tramway Conductor Stafford VIEW
PECKIN, Emily Wife Married
11 years F 33 1878 Hackney Middlesex VIEW
PECKIN, Florrie Daughter Single F 9 1902 Wapping Middlesex VIEW
PECKIN, Ethel Daughter Single F 8 1903 Shoreditch Middlesex VIEW
PECKIN, Dorris Daughter Single F 3 1908 Shoreditch Middlesex VIEW
PECKIN, Gladys Daughter Single F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1911 Leytonstone Essex

Sorry to have been away from this a while,but went to visit my mum being mothers day and all that and also my daughters birthday.

Back now!
Yes 1901 census is correct.Arthur Robert Neale b 1900 and siblings George, James,Rose,Annie,Laura and John. Parents Thoms Neale and mother Rosina Huggett 1870-1904.
Arthur Neale the youngest child married Ethel Winifred Pickin in 1922.
Her mother Emily Pickin is listed as beer retailer of 32 Cyprus Street in 1921 in directories. This could have been a miss print as 52 is the duke of wellington pub. Obviously this is how Arthur and Ethel met over the bar top!!!!I can picture it now.
Arthur was a coal man but later him and Ethel went into the pub trade also and the Pickins ran several pubs around London at different times.
Arthur and Ethel got their license taken off them in 194os for after hours drinking-shame of it. Ben Harris had it put in his name for them and worked with them as Ethel had terminal cancer.
Arthur went back to Cyprus st and his neighbours were Bil Harris and his wife and daughter Ann. Bill's sister lived next door to them.
I also have Harris family in Romford and several photos ,but we don't know who they are. We think they are connected to Arthur and Cyprus street.

Hope that gives an insight. Thankyou

There is no beer retailer at 32. Do tou have a surname for her?

1901 census - address transcription
Address: 32, Cyprus Street, Bethnal Green

312 DORMER, William Head Married M 59 1842 Silk Weaver
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
312 DORMER, Jane Wife Married F 50 1851
Bethnal Green
London VIEW

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313 PERHAM, Louie Head Single F 18 1883 Shop Assistant
Croydon
Surrey

maybe the Neale family


1901 census - household transcription
Person: NEALE, Arthur
Address: 1, Wharncliffe Street, Bethnal Green
NEALE, Thomas Head Married M 35 1866 Firewood Cutter
Haggerston
London VIEW
NEALE, Rosina Married F 30 1871
Hackney
London VIEW
NEALE, Thomas Son Single M 11 1890
Bethnal G
London VIEW
NEALE, Rose Daughter Single F 7 1894
Bethnal G
London VIEW
NEALE, Annie Daughter Single F 6 1895
Bethnal G
London VIEW
NEALE, Laura Daughter Single F 4 1897
Bethnal G
London VIEW
NEALE, John Son Single M 2 1899
Bethnal G
London VIEW
NEALE, Arthur Son Single M 0 (10 MOS) 1901
Bethnal G
London VIEW
NEALE, George Son Single M 22 1879 Firewood Cutter
Hackney
London

this is the family at 102

ring any bells

1901 census - address transcription
Address: 102, Cyprus Street, Bethnal Green

385 WAYLING, John Head Married M 30 1871 Wood Machinist
Stepney
London VIEW
385 WAYLING, Mary Wife Married F 24 1877 Brush Drawer
Stepney
London VIEW

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386 HAYZER, Edwin Head Married M 34 1867 Boot Maker
Stepney
London VIEW
386 HAYZER, Alice Wife Married F 36 1865 Tailoress
Mile End
London VIEW
386 HAYZER, Eleanor Daughter F 11 1890
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
386 HAYZER, Alice Daughter F 11 1890
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
386 HAYZER, May Daughter F 8 1893
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
386 HAYZER, Winifred Daughter F 6 1895
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
386 HAYZER, Rosilia Daughter F 4 1897
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
386 HAYZER, Edwin Son M 1 1900
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
386 TAYLOR, Mary Mother Widow F 72 1829
Walcot Bath
Somersetshire VIEW

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387 GIMBLE, Fred Head Married M 46 1855 Tailor
Mile End
London VIEW
387 GIMBLE, Louisa Wife Married F 47 1854 Tailoress
Chelsea
London

1901 census - household transcription
Person: MACKNEY, Harriet
Address: 88, Cyprus Street, Bethnal Green
MACKNEY, Harriet Widow F 67 1834
Lambeth
London VIEW

1891 census - household transcription
Person: COLE, James
Address: 88, Cyprus Street, Bethnal Green, London, North East Bethnal Green
COLE, James Head Married M 30 1861 Master Carman
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
COLE, Annie Wife Married F 27 1864
Finsbury
London VIEW
COLE, Elizabeth Sister Single F 24 1867
Homerton
London VIEW
MACKNEY, Eliza Visitor Widow F 46 1845 Brush Drawer
Old Kent Road
London


I wonder if Eliza and Harriet are connected?

1911 census - household transcription
Person: COLE, James
Address: 88 Cyprus Street Bethnal Green
COLE, James Head M
29 years M 50 1861 Coal Dealer Bethnal Green VIEW
COLE, Mary Ann Wife M F 47 1864 City Road VIEW
NEALE, Arthur Nephew M 10 1901 Bethnal Green

Yes and the information you have given is very fragmented.

Could you start by giving me what you know about one person.
full name
where born
approximate age
parents mames
siblings names (Full names not nicknames)
If you have any certificates what you know from there.
So far I have not been able to find a family with all of the details correct.

There is a connection to the Cole family found.

The Neale family children went to live with The Cole family at some point years later and Arthur Neale was a coalman also. Worked for them.

Yes there is a connection. Wow exciting stuff. Maybe getting somewhere now. The Harris family are connected to my family in someway. There are lots of family photos of different HARRIS FAMILY MEMBERS, but can't find the connection just yet on how they fit in. Older family members memories are not what they used to be so information is very fragmented.

well this is 88 and no sign of Neale family

1901 census - address transcription
Address: 88, Cyprus Street, Bethnal Green

372 MACKNEY, Harriet Widow F 67 1834
Lambeth
London VIEW

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373 SANDS, Alfred Head Married M 31 1870 Tube Attendant
St George's
London VIEW
373 SANDS, Alice Wife Married F 26 1875
Hackney
London VIEW
373 SANDS, Alfred Son M 6 1895
Beth Green
London VIEW

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374 COLE, James Head Married M 40 1861 Coal Merchant & Porter
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
374 COLE, Mary Ann Wife Married F 37 1864
Finsbury
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
292 Folio:
142 Page:
57

Registration District:
Bethnal Green Sub District:
Bethnal Green East Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St James the Less

Civil Parish:
Bethnal Green Municipal Borough:
Address:
88, Cyprus Street, Bethnal Green County:
London

I have just looked through the whole street and there is not a Harris family living there 1901.
Ehy do you think they will be there then as that is a long gap from 1901 to 1914? Have you tried 1911?

This Harris family lived on Cyprus street for many years. My connection of is with the Neale family who lived down the street at number 88. We have a sid and Ben Harris so just trying to fit C J Harris into the family. coincidence that all these Harris lived on same street. Also have my great grandmother at 32 a beer retailer.

Thanks for the info. Very helpful.

Gwyn a good find


But Donna where they lived in 1917 is not really any indictation of where they were in 1901



Medal Card on Ancestry
Name: Chas J Harris
Regiment or Corps: Rifle Brigade
Regimental Number: S/29977

From Commonwealth War Graves site....

Name: HARRIS, CHARLES JOHN
Initials: C J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Rifleman
Regiment/Service: Rifle Brigade
Unit Text: 11th Bn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 23/09/1917
Service No: S/29977
Additional information: Son of Charles John and Mary Harris, of 102, Cyprus St., Globe Rd., Bethnal Green, London.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. D. 2.
Cemetery: DOZINGHEM MILITARY CEMETERY


Gwyn

Just nudged up a good thread about this subject