Genealogy Chat

The plot thickens with this family. As stated in my initial post I was looking for the maiden name of Ann, which Christine has correctly identified as Starkey.

Anyway I started looking for the spouses of Ann & James's children, and John Gutteridge born in 1851 married Clara Starkey in 1880 in Leicestershire.

I am trying to find a tie between Clara and Ann (assuming they must be distantly related but really strugglin). So far I have found out that Clara's parents are John Starkey and Keziah Tonks.

Look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts.

Thanks again
Helen

I searched with the phonetic search ticked for James and as you will see his name is spelt different.

Christine

Christine! Thanks so much! I don't know why I couldn't find that marriage.

I think there is only one Ann as her birthplace is the same on the census.

This looks as if it could be the marriage.

Marriages Jun 1847 (>99%)

Guttridge James Ashby de la Zouch 15 9
STARKEY Ann Ashby de la Zch 15 9

Christine

I think there is only one James and one Ann (the ages are consistent throughout the censuses for both of them - Ann never gets younger by anymore than 3 yrs or so).

Therefore I assume they:
1/ Never married?
2/ Potentially the oldest daughter gave birth to George and as she was unwed they pretended George was their child?

What are your thoughts?

There are at least two other possible marriages as well in the Warwickshire area - in that timeframe - involving 3 possible Ann's.

Jill

I'm drawn to this marriage as it is in Foleshill - where he married Ann number two ...

Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%)
Bennett Matilda Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view
COX Elizabeth Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view
Curtis William Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view
Dewis Mary Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view
**** GUTTERIDGE James Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view
MANN James Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view
MOORE John Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view
**** Smart Ann Foleshill 16 363 Scan available - click to view

Jill

Death of Ann number 1 - age matches the 1861 census:

Deaths Sep 1870 (>99%)
Gutteridge Ann 41 Ashby Z. 7a 63 Scan available - click to view


So, Ann number 1's maiden name to find now ??

Jill

Picking up on George Asbury Gutteridge (as above) ...

Either he was married twice, or they married very late

(or possibly there are two James Gutteridges marrying an Ann)

I think you need to pick the right birth cert to send for as there may have been two wives:

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
Asbury Ann Foleshill 6d 436 Scan available - click to view
Essex Mary Foleshill 6d 436 Scan available - click to view
Gutteridge James Foleshill 6d 436 Scan available - click to view
Oakes George Foleshill 6d 436 Scan available - click to view

Jill

Could be Mary Starkey rather flourished writing but just stating Mary and the GRO ref should get her birth cert

Thanks everyone. Looks like I will need to request a birth certificate (I've been avoiding it long enough!). At least I have somewhere to start now.

A Gutteridge / Starkey marriage in Ashby de la Zouche - which is a little coincidental - I wonder if the Starkeys are somehow connected to the Gutteridges?


Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
Coulson Thomas William Ashby De La Zouch 7a 163 Scan available - click to view
GUTTERIDGE John Ashby Z. 7a 163 Scan available - click to view
Starkey Clara Ashby Z 7a 163 Scan available - click to view
Tyler Mary Ashby Z. 7a 163 Scan available - click to view

BINGO looks like the youngest boy James birth which will give mmn

Name: James Gutteridge
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ashby de la Zouch
County: Derbyshire, Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 106

This is daughter Mary's birth - Mary Starkey Gutteridge on the 1861:

Births Sep 1856 (98%)
Gutteridge Mary Star__ey Ashby de la Zouch 7a 93 Scan available - click to view


I always wonder about middle names that sound like surnames ...

Jill

Looks like George birth
Name: George Asbury Gutteridge
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ashby de la Zouch
County: Derbyshire, Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 106

Thanks for the above. I believe Ann was his first wife. Have found her and James on every census from 1851.

Thinking maybe George may have been the older sister's child?

He is with Ann on the 1871 census
Name: James Gutteridge
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Belton, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Hugglescote
Ecclesiastical parish: Coalville
Town: Coalville
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street Address:Station Street

Occupation:Grocer

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image
Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch
Sub-registration district: Whitwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 286
Household Members: Name Age
James Gutteridge 43
Ann Gutteridge 37
Sarah A Gutteridge 23
John Gutteridge 20
Jane Gutteridge 16
Mary T Gutteridge 14
James Gutteridge 12




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3253; Folio: 31; Page: 56; GSU roll: 839277.

Hi,

Yes I found them all on the 1881 census and George was listed as the son (I know I thought it was odd too).

In 1891 he is still living with Ann (listed as his mother)

Right here they are on the 1881 census and things dont appear quite right. Daughter Sarh Ann Gutteridge is 33 whilst Ann is 47 so dont think Ann is her mum as she would have been 14 when she was born
George is down as son to James so thinking Ann may have beena second wife .will look for marriages later.
1881 census
Name: James Gutteridge
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Belton, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Hugglescote and Donnington
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address: High St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Grocer And General Dealer

Registration district: Ashby De La Zouch
Sub-registration district: Whitwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Gutteridge 53
Ann Gutteridge 47
Sarah Ann Gutteridge 33
Jane Gutteridge 26
James Gutteridge 22
George A. Gutteridge 1




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3143; Folio: 141; Page: 57; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341749.

I think George may be a grandson

If you can find all the childrens' birth records I would be tempted to send for the birth cert of your direct ancestor. That would give you your ancestor's mum's name - particularly if, as Shirley has said, there might have been two marriages.

Jill