Genealogy Chat

Once you have the certs can you confirm if our findings are correct.
Love to know the name of Samuel Plumbs father

Thankyou so much for all the info. you have found out and given to me, the family is complicated but I think I'm gradually piecing it together.
I am waiting for a couple of certs. hopefully they will shed some light to the matter.
Thanks again Geoff.

The marriage found in 1879 Croydon for John Plumb to possibly Maria Hook.Other female name Emma Jane Claydon


`1881 census.
John Plumb 1840 Southwark Surrey. occ light porter
Emma wife 1837 St Pancras

address 2 Ebenezar cottages StMary Islington



On the 1881 census
Maria Plumb is a fitters wife so not a widow

1891 census.
George Beer 1843 Devon.occ machine driller
Mary Ann wife 1845 Devon
Elizabeth dau 1871 Devon
John son 1876 Plaistow Essex occ boilermakers lab.
Edith 1877 Canning Town
Helen 1883 Plaistow
Ernest 1885 Plaistow
Ethel 1887 Plaistow

address 18 Frank St West Ham


Mary Ann Beer born 1846 died 1899 june qt West Ham gro ref vol 4a page 67


1881 census
George Beer 1842 Newton Abbott occ labourer iron works
Mary Beer 1846 Newton Abbott
plus children
living 65 Woodstock St West Ham


1871
George Beer 1844 Newton Abbott occ railway lab.
Mary A 1845 Kingsteignton
Elizabeth dau 4 months Newton Abbott.
William Beer father 1803 Chudleigh Devon occ lab.

address Queen St Wolborough parish Newton Abbott

Mary Ann Cummings/Commins married George Beer in 1867. Therefore Jessie Beer is Mary Anns daughter not Marias daughter.

Margaret I think your right & Maria & MaryAnn are actually sisters.

What a complicated family!

Claire.
I agree the marriage of Samuel Plumb would be the best to start with as this is something known ( hopefully)

I thought Maria was a Cumming daughter of Samuel. Found in 1881 with father Samuel and in 1851 with Samuel and mother Elizabeth.
Maria not transcribed in 1851but on the census image she is there.
The Mary Ann Cumming you found in 1851 could be Maria.s older sister. If Maria was born a Cumming then she couldnt have married one

So are you actually saying that Maria had possibly 3 marriages/relationships and within that she went back to her single name, I didn't know it would make a difference for her to get a job with!
So some of the info. I did have that I thought was wrong just needed a bit more unravelling not binning, ie. the info. on Maria and the Plumb boys on the Census is actually right just a bit confusing and she was listed with Green but just not sure of a marriage, but she did have the child by him is that right to double check?
The marriage of Maria to John Plumb will be my new starting point I hope and I have a couple of certs. now on order.
Thankyou all very much for the time and effort you've put into this I do really appreciate it, it's helped clear it up a bit more thanks again for the push.
Geoff

1861 census.
Maria Cunning servant 1849 Kingsteignton Devon

1871 census
Maria Cumming servant 1850 Kingsbridge Devon

working in St Marylebone

So there the London connection where she met Mr Plumb

George Henry Green reg St Olave's March 1886
1d/289
This might give you Maria's maiden name but then we know that!! Eileen

1851 census.
Samuel Cuming 1818 Bishop Steignton Devon occ clay cutter lab.
Elizabeth wife 1819 South Bovey.
Sarah dau 1849 Kings Steignton
MARIA dau 1850 KingsSteignton

address Oakford KingsSteignton.

Maria has not been transcribed. You only find her by checking the census image

As far as I can make out Maria's name was Cummings,but say that with a Devon accent and it could be anything. The only time I can find her with her parents is in 1881 ,then father is a widow. However in 1871 he has a wife called Elizabeth who comes from Bovey Tracey.(the grandaughter Jessie Beer is with them to confirm)Probably Samuel Cummings married Eliza Jones in Exeter OND 1852 5b/195. IGI have an Elizabeth Furactt(/Fawcett) Jones christened 18/6/1811 in Bovey Trecey which ties up with her age.
This still leaves the "problem of Maria"!!
She is not at home in 1871 when she should be,but there is an eliza of the right age.....so,perhaps she didn't like her name.
See if you can turn anything up on free bms by using the phonetic search. Registrars weren't too hot on regional accents. Nor were the clergy.
Eileen

Sorry I haven't replied!
I can't seem to find any connections from my grandad and his brothers to the info. there always seems to be something ie. the area of birth, the date etc. I have looked through BMD and Found his marriage to my nan, and looking on the census the connection starts to go sketchy with the mum and her seemingly marrying again to Mr Green, I can't pinpoint too much before that ie. her first marriage to what I assume would bw my grandads father, (that is the only point I can make Maria a Plumb) from a first marriage. Could they have not been officially married or would that have been too frowned upon, just don't get it and the worse thing is both my older brothers have unfortunately died and they could have been more of a help being that much older,but still that's the way it goes.

The majority are not brick walls.

They have just not bought the certs.

Another grass verge.LOL I think we should ban the words Brick and Wall on this site.

Well that was all a waste of time and effort then.

Seems that most of the information has been previously given by other GR members

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1065341

Thanks for the info. given, most of it is the same as the info. we found out!
We did find the info. with the Devon connection and didn't know it was mistranscribed because we did find it hard to connect and match anything up, total confussion!
Thanks again

The family are mistranscribed in 1881. The correct name is Cumming. Check the 1871 census for Samuel (head) 1819 Bishop Teignton occ gardener
Maria is working as a servant and not with her family

The above family are in Teignmouth, Devon in 1881 and are staying with Maria's father Samuel Caming