Genealogy Chat

Eric

Thanks for the information and clearing up that problem

John and charlotte mcdowell were william henry b 20/12/1847 parents
john died 11/9/1849


Joyce

I gave you all the info I could find..........

Not sure what else you are looking for..............

Can I just say that I don't understand your unwillingness to accept that John was dead by the time one of his children married..........

Being dead doesn't alter the fact that he was that person's father.................

My father was dead when I married........but his name is on my marriage cert, simply because he WAS my father....

sorry eric and topcat
hope im not to late for any replies as i expect you have given up on the mcdowells

ive had workmen in so havent had time todo any thing on computer
john was married to charlotte peageon she was born 21/8/1814 devonport

many thanks joyce

Shirley
Thanks for the info Ive never heard of this before also Ive bought a few death certificates for john mcdowell and william mcdowells devon which got to confusing as they dont tie up with birth dates

thats why im stuck

all the best

Joyce

Jane I have these details thank you but the surname is different so should i look for different spellings ??

as i have no proof that william mcdowell b 1792 and mary ann gerry married 1814 stoke damerel are the parents of john

many thanks Joyce

Joyce , the fathers name is quoted on marriage certs if known. what didn't always happen tho was that the father was recorded as deceased. Depended on how the question was asked when the marriage was being arranged, ie "fathers name" to which an honest answer would be given , but not ventured on that with by the way he now dead!!.
for instance:-
My maternal grandfather married for the first time in 1898 and his dads name & occupation is on the cert.. He was widowed in 1905 and married my gran in 1909.on that cert his dads name & occupation is again shown exactly as per his previous marriage cert but this time the word deceased is added.I assumed then that great grandfather died between 1898 and 1909 and spent time a 2 certs buying trying to get his death. Only when Freebmd did an update and i was looking for all records for his widows name did I see she remarried in 1894!! so then I looked again for grt grandfathers death to find he died in 1884 aged 37 .no wonder I didn't find him on the 1891 or 1901 census !! If only the fact was recorded on that first marrige record it would have saved me loads of time & money!! trying to get further on that line.

Shirley

Name: John McDowall
[John McDowell]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Damerell
Hundred: Devonport Borough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub registration district: Clowance
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Amelia McDowall 1
Charlotte McDowall 25
John McDowall 25
Louisa McDowall 3

This looks like them in 1841

Best Wishes

Jane

Yes Shirley this was the date i thought was johns death

many thanks

Joyce

Eric

It has the fathers names and profession john mcdowell shoemaker edmund rundle shipwright
on the marriage certificate

also has parish of st mary

Joyce

Thank you all for the information i am getting more confused now

why was the surnames spelt different ??

yes i thought johns death was 11/9/1849 should i take it this is correct then ??

yes i knew charlotte married again

how can they put a deseased person on a marriage certificate

I havent got william henrys b 1847 death certificate as he remarried


i would like help tracing his parents and grandparents now

I am so grateful

I will be out tonight but will log on after 11.pm

Joyce

If he was named on the marriage cert and it did not have deceased written against it I would not take that as meaning he was still alive. My mother named her father on the marriage cert without putting "deceased" - he had died when she was 4 years old!

So if Charlotte remarried in 1853 then John couldnt have been a witness on their sons wedding cert of 1869.Or have I read the info wrong??

is this the death cert you thought was him
Deaths Sep 1849

McDowell John Stoke Damerell 9 441

SPOT ON...........Top cat!!

1861

Name: Charlotte Beeching
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Wm
Gender: Female
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub registration district: Clowance
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 452
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Beeching 43
Rosina Beeching 18
Wm Beeching 36
Ellen McDowel 15
Wm McDowel 13

There is a possible marriage of Charlotte McDowell to a William Beeching, Stoke Dameral in Sept 1853.

And in 1851............

Name: William McDugal
[William McDowell]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub registration district: Clowance
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 447
Household Members: Name Age
Anelia McDugal 10
Charlotte McDugal 33
Ellen McDugal 5
Louisa McDugal 12
Ronna McDugal 7
William McDugal 3

I assume this is William in 1871

Name: William H McDonald
[William H McDowell]
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Editha H
Gender: Male
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Stoke Damerel
Ecclesiastical parish: [Mother church]
Town: Devonport
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Stoke Damerel
Sub registration district: Clowance
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 227
Household Members: Name Age
Editha H McDonald 24
Elizabeth C McDonald 1
William H McDonald 24

What was the name of John's wife? Where and when was she born?

Who was John married to?

Sorry to say this, but.............how can you be sure that the person named as a witness was not just someone with the same name as the groom's father?

There is, as far as I am aware, no info on marriage certs about the witnesses.............only their names

John b 1815 was witness to william henry mcdowells marriage 19/2/1869 stoke damerel devon

having problems connecting to genes this afternoon

Joyce