Genealogy Chat

I have hunted for this child/woman for a couple of weeks now and am losing the will to live. This is on my friend's tree (her internet access is playing up).

I know that I need to send off for her birth certificate but having received her marriage cert I thought great at least I can track her down in the censuses. Huh!

Olive May ESKINS. Born 1885 in Newent, Gloucestershire (her birth record is on FreeBMD). She married in 1909 to Jeremiah Joseph MANNING at Paddington Register Office. She says her father is William Eskins (dec'd) a bootmaker.

There is an Eskins family in Newent, Glos for 1891 and 1901 but it's not that family (assume they are somehow related but I can't get past the starting post let alone far enough back to confirm that). I have tried every variatio of name I can think of - used her middle name as well. I've tried Olive, Clive, Oliver/Olivia, Alice. I've tried Eskins, Erskin/e/s, Elkins. I've searched on just forename and yob - just surname - including all variants. I'm not sure that birth cert will help me find her but at least I will know her mum and can get a bit further back.

I did think that in 1901 she might be in service/employment in London - so could be badly mistranscribed somewhere but I would have thought that in 1891 she'd be in Newent still ... but maybe not.

If one of you can spot her - it will be celebratory doughnuts all round!

Address in 1909 - for both of them - was 67 Chippenham Road, Paddington. (I've sorted the Manning side out that's all OK)

I'm on and off computer for a bit as am just about to dish up dinner - but will pop back asap.

Many thanks and fingers crossed.

Jill

Hi Jill
Have found a Olive May Eskins born 4Qtr 1884 along with Albert Eskins born on the same date and fron the same area Newent
Thats put the cat amongs it

Billy

Hi Jill

I've been looking too, without success.

However, I did find the death of a William Eskins in the same district

Deaths Mar 1888 (99%)

ESKINS William 59 Newent 6a 198

Perhaps if we could find him on the 1881 census, we could see other members of the family and then work forward?

Jeannie

Jill I'm looking for you but not having any more luck than you!

Just wanted to say i had a nightmare trying to find my great grandmother. Bought her marriage cert & found her there with her mother & stepfather. Went on searching for her & still couldn't find any trace of her even knowing both parents names & stepfathers name etc. Eventually when I received her her birth cert with address born at I did another address search & found her mother & father there but the fathers name was wrong!

It may be worth getting the birth cert as you say just to know her mothers name for searching.

I'll keep looking for you.

If i don't see anything tonight before i log off i'll check in again tomorrow.

1891 Censu


for the Albert Eskins that Billy found ...... no Olive May


Name: Albert Eskins
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Margery
Gender: Male
Where born: Newent, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Dudley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Dudley
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Dudley
Sub registration district: Dudley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Eskins 7
Elizabeth Eskins 10
Flora Eskins 12
George Eskins 8
Margery Eskins 39
Sarah A Eskins 1
William Eskins 37 Grocers Porter
William G Eskins 15

There is this William Eskins on the 1881 ... and look at his occupation! Cordwainer is another term for bootmaker.

However, I haven't been able to find them on any later censuses!


1881 Census

Name: William Eskins
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Dymock, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Staunton
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address: Ledbury Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Cordwainer <<<<<<

Registration district: Newent
Sub registration district: Redmarley
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Alice Eskins 1
Ann Eskins 30
Ann Eskins 12
Fanny Eskins 5
George Eskins 8
Rose Eskins 2
William Eskins 52
William Eskins 9




sylvia

Hi Billy

Found him - he's with another family. The same quarter but different numbers so they can't be twins. But thank you - I remember when I first saw him thinking - yes! But, no. Thank you for looking.

Jeannie - that looks promising. And a good idea. I'll have a mooch around.

Chrisa - many thanks. It;s been driving me so mad I'm beginning to wonder whether I'd see her now even if she was staring me in the face! I think she may have been mistranscribed (particulary 1901) but to be mistranscribed twice seems a bit unfortunate! Thank you for helping.

Sylvia - that's the other family. Dad's occupation quite different so - what with the brith reg being a totally different number as well - I don't think it's him. But, that makes Chrisa's find even more relevant. 'Cos if Albert's father William is still alive in 1891 then the William who died in 1888 is more likely to be Olive's dad ... breakthrough maybe?

Thank you all - this is helping a lot!

Jill

Sylvia - that must be him! Wife is different from the 1891 Albert family ... Yes!

Sylvia - I'm fairly sure it's him. Odd that they're in Staunton in 1881 and the last 3 children born there and the enumerator is showing Staunton as Worcestershire. I think Newent is one of those "shifting" places ...

I've searched for Rose and Alice Eskins on the 1891 without success. Also cannot find any deaths for thembetween 1881 and 1891, nor can I find a death or remarriage for the mother Ann. However, found Fanny Eskins as a servant so that doesn't help.

Fanny Eskins
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Staunton, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: St Nicholas
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Gloucester
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Eskins 14
Edwin Phelps 66
Martha Phelps 69
William E Phelps 33
Edwin J Wright 7
Florence L Wright 5

Jeannie

Comparing the children from both families with births on FreeBMD - there seem to be two Eskins families for that period. They don't all seem to be listed but the ones that are either fall into one or other of the families shown above. It's making much more sense now - thank you soooo much everyone.

Jill

Thank you Jeannie. I wonder if the family ended up being scattered to the winds after father died? Maybe some ended up in the workhouse? I will have to rummage using just initials!

Perhaps that's when the older ones moved to London?

At least with a few more names to search I've more of a chance of finding mum ...

Cheers

Jill

Fanny on the 1901

Fanny Ann Eskins
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Stainton, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Gloucester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub registration district: South Hamlet
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Ann Eskins 25
Elizabeth Eleanor Smith 37
Frederick Henry Smith 38
Lucy Mary Smith 15

Jeannie

I think I've found Alice Eskins on the 1901

Alice Eskins
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Staunton, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Staunton
Ecclesiastical parish: Staunton St James
Town: Lodbury Road
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newent
Sub registration district: Redmarley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Alice M Barnett 36
James Barnett 66
Alice Eskins 20
Charles Eskins 2
Edgar R Eskins 3 months

James Barnett is shown as a widower - maybe, Alice's mother did marry him after the death of William?

Jeannie

This is so frustrating, found a possible marriage of Ann Eskins to James Barnett in 1894 - after the 1891 census.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
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Barnett James Gloucester 6a 465
Eskine Anne Gloucester 6a 465
Eskins Anne Gloucester 6a 465

Jeannie

Oh Jeannie

That looks like a good one! I will have to go and rummage in FreeBMD again.

I'm catching up with my friend tomorrow so will let her have all this info and will order the cert at the weekend to clarify mum's details. But it looks as if we can make some proper headway now.

Have to be off soon as OH needs computer and I said I'd only be another few minutes so will pop back either much later tonight or tomorrow (at work!),

Many thanks everyone - much appreciated.

Jill

So - looking for a death for Ann Barnett between 1894 and 1901.

Have to go soon - I can hear impatient huffing noises in the distance ...

Jill

Death of Annie Barnett in Newent in 1896 aged 45.

Bingo.

Jill

William in 1871 - looks like he's a widow!

1871 England Census
about William Eskine
Name: William Eskine
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Dymock, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Redmarley
Ecclesiastical parish: Worcester
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newent
Sub registration district: Redmarley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Eskine 2
Emma Eskine 12
William Eskine 43
William Eskine 7


Jeannie

William in 1861

1861 England Census
about William Eskins
Name: William Eskins
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Dymock, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Redmarley Dabitot
Ecclesiastical parish: Worcester
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Newent
Sub registration district: Redmarley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Eskins 32
Elizabeth E Eskins 10
Emm Eskins 2
William Eskins 32


And the death of Eliza Eskins

Deaths Jun 1867 (>99%)
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Eskins Eliza 38 Upton 6c 166


Unfortunately, still no sign of Olive Eskins on the later censuses - hoping she may be with an older sibling.