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Neiven may not be Elizabeths maiden name. A lot of my scots female relatives used their own maiden names after they were married so it may be Jain's maiden name.

1881

Name: Andrew Muir
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Campbelton
Registration Number: 507
Registration district: Campbeltown
Civil Parish: Campbeltown
Town: Campbeltown
County: Argyll
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 63
Line: 9
Roll: cssct1881_150
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Muir 2
Elizabeth Muir 33
James Muir 31
James Muir 10
Jeanie Muir 12
John Mc Phael Muir 8
Jain Neiven 69 Mother in Law

So.if these are the right people, you now have Elizabeth's maiden name.......

Reg

Same family in 1891

Name: Malcolm Muir
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James
Gender: Male
Where born: Campbeltown, Argyll
Registration Number: 507
Registration district: Campbeltown
Civil Parish: Campbeltown
Town: Campbeltown
County: Argyll
Address: Dairy Close
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 88
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1891_165
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Jackson 18 M Grandchild
Andrew Muir 13
James Muir 45
James Muir 20
Jeannie Muir 22
John Muir 18
Lizzie Muir 46
Lizzie Muir 9
Malcolm Muir 11
Mary Muir 2

Reg

This is guesswork.......1901 census

Name: Malcolm Muir
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Campbeltown, Argyllshire
Registration Number: 507
Registration district: Campbeltown
Civil Parish: Campbeltown
Town: Campbeltown
County: Argyll
Address: 36 Main St
Occupation: Carter
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_177
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Brown 19 Boarder
Samuel Gathrie 63 Boarder
Elizabeth Muir 46 b. Glasgow
James Muir 52 b. Ayr.........Occ: Butcher
Malcolm Muir 19
Mary Muir 13

Reg

Do you have approximate dates for these people? The names are not sufficiently unusual for us to be able to identify them without some idea of time-scale

found some new information,john brown muir b campbeltown,father malcolm mckenzi muir b campbeltown ,his father james mckinnon muir b ayr,son of james muir b? thats where i am at any help from here would be great

What a miserable old so and so your brother is! I share all the certs etc that I buy, with all my relatives, first cousins, second cousins, old uncle Tom Cobley and all. But then I am not a male!

that sounds about right mary thanks,my dad died in 1996 and my brother wont tell me anything,he has my fathers birth and death certificate,thats why i am struggling to get information,my brother doesn't like to share family information from my fathers side dont know why.

Hi Katrina

Your father's birth cert will show the date of his parents marriage.

I had some credits left on SP so had a quick look for a death of Sarah Muir - there were 23 in Glasgow. This one seems a good possibility: 1993 Sarah Muir age 77 previous name Queen. ref: is 611/00 0523 There are no images so it would have to be ordered - they cost £10 to order from SP. Check with your father first to see if he thinks that date sounds about right before ordering it though :-)

Mary

Katrina did you grandparents die in Scotland? If they did their death certs will give their ages & also will show their parents names.

If they died in England or Wales, death cert will give their age or date of birth.

Look for clues, are they in any old photos that you can roughly date? Weddings are good ones.

Is there anyone alive that you can ask for information? Girls in the family often do the house clearance & keep old certs tucked in a box in the loft.

If you can't get to Edinburgh yourself, keep a check on the boards for someone who is going & is willing to do some research for you.

Don't give up, this may take time but you will get there.

i am not sure why i thought 1920's my dad did have a younger brother prob born about 1947.

No marriages come up on search on ScotlandsPeople up to 1932.

You will have to contact the Scottish GRO to get the marriage cert.

Ok

Have you looked for the marriage certificate of John Muir and Sarah Queen?

That woudl give you the names of their fathers, and thus a lead back to the 1901 census and then further back.

You say your dad was born 1942 ......... what makes you think his paretns got married in the 1920s? Was he the youngest child?

Could they have got married later than you think?


sylvia

I do not know what my great grandfather was called, john muir's dad sorry.

ok i'm sorry reg,my grandparents were john muir and sarah queen both from around the hamilton area of glasgow,they must have got married about 1920's,they had three sons all born glasgow,Ian muir,Brian and james muir brian muir was my dad born 1942 in glasgow and worked as a docker as did my grandad,thats all i know i'm afraid.

If you know of any relative who would have been alive at the time of the 1901 census.....post the details, and give people a chance to help.

You might get lucky...........

Reg

I tried that sou but still came out with nothing,just a wate of £6,couldn't trace any family birth marriage or deaths.

The snag with Scottish bmd info is that it is only available on pay-to-view.

Have you thought of getting some units for scotlands people? I've never had need of it, but I believe that you can get units for only £6.00

Reg

Can any of us help?

Sue
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wanted glasgow marriage lookups or births from around 1900 - 1942