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any help appreciated. I have paternalgrandads birth certificate, George William Orridge born 1892 to William Orridge (1855 born Leics)and a widow, Ellen (1855)(late Wilkes formerly Siddaway). I have found William in 1891 with Ellen 3 stepchildren and a joint baby called Lily. The only possible sighting I have in 1901 is William living on his own in lodgings saying he was single and no sight of the rest of them, nor my grandad who would have been 9. I know grandad ran away from home at 16 but surely not 9. Secondly trying to find a marriage between my maternal great grandfather Fred Kidger and Ruth?. He was born 1865 and she was born 1868. In 1891 they were married and their eldest child was 5. Incidently is there an art to finding marriages. I've not found any on Ancestry that I have searched for.

Taking 2nd mystery first. No art to finding marriages, you just need to look in the right place, as with finding anything. ancestry civil reg is the same info as Freebmd, and is not complete, but does have the advantage that you put in a name and it comes up with all the entries for that name. The complete marriage index IS on ancestry, but you need to check each page of each quarter of each year, which is timeconsuming. if you've done this and not found it, its possible that the marriage cert copy never reached the GRO in which case you'd need to contact the relevant local register office - start with the one nearest where they are on census/where first child was born. If no joy, then its possible that they never married. nell

1st mystery People missing on a census are often either mistranscribed or just somewhere you don't expect to find them. Have you tried looking using just first name, age and place of birth? nell

1891 for ref William Orridge abt 1854 Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England Head Whiston Yorkshire Ellen Orridge abt 1855 Pensensit, Staffordshire, England Wife Whiston Yorkshire Lily M Orridge abt 1890 Whiston, Yorkshire, England Daughter Whiston Yorkshire John T Wilkes abt 1886 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England Stepson Whiston Yorkshire Ellen Wilks abt 1878 Carbrook, Yorkshire, England Stepdaughter Whiston Yorkshire Harry Wilks abt 1879 Brightside, Yorkshire, England Stepson Whiston Yorkshire

Thank Helen, I'll try just using the first name but I'm not hopeful. As for the ancestry civil reg is that actually on the ancestry site. I've just done the looking on every quarter which is laborious if you have ten possible years to go through.

Where was Fred and Ruths first child born? Suzanne

Do you have Fred on the 1901 census? Zoe

Hi Suzanne Fred and Ruths first child was born in Stapleford in Nottinghamshire, which is probably where they married,

1901 Is this them? Sarah A is down as 2nd wife! Fred Kidger abt 1865 Penmston, Yorkshire, England Head Stapleford Nottinghamshire Fred Kidger abt 1886 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Stapleford Nottinghamshire George W Kidger abt 1889 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Stapleford Nottinghamshire Harry Kidger abt 1895 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Stapleford Nottinghamshire Mabel Kidger abt 1897 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Stapleford Nottinghamshire Rebecca Kidger abt 1894 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Stapleford Nottinghamshire Richard Kidger abt 1899 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Stapleford Nottinghamshire Ruth Kidger abt 1891 Auddleston, Nottinghamshire, England Daughter Stapleford Nottinghamshire Samuel Kidger abt 1900 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Son Stapleford Nottinghamshire Sarah A Kidger abt 1876 Stapleford, Nottinghamshire, England Wife Stapleford Nottinghamshire 1891 Frederick Kidger abt 1864 Crowhedge, Yorkshire, England Head Linthorpe Yorkshire Frederick Kidger abt 1887 North Stapleford, Lincolnshire, England Son Linthorpe Yorkshire George W Kidger abt 1889 North Stapleford, Lincolnshire, England Son Linthorpe Yorkshire Ruth Kidger abt 1868 Sandeaire, Derbyshire, England Wife Linthorpe Yorkshire Ruth E Kidger abt 1891 Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England Daughter Linthorpe Yorkshire

Hello Zoe, Fred is on the 1901 census, married to his second wife Sarah. Ruth died in 1895. I can't find their marriage either. I particularly want to find both of them, because I believe both wives were related to each other

Yes Zoe, thats them. I need to know if Ruth or Sarahs maiden name was Preston because when Ruth died, her death was registered as Kidger-Preston and so was the birth of Harry who was born in the quarter just before she died. However you'll see that Harrys name was back to Kidger on the 1901 census. Apparently any subsequent children were named Kidger-Preston (although apprently not on the census) so I have some relatives called Kidger, some called Kidger-Preston and one who justcalled himself Preston and no-one seems to know why!

Well have looked for the marriage even tried to look for Ruth in previous censues ! Do you not have any of the childrens birth certs as these should clear the matter up! Zoe

You're right thats probably better than going down the marriage certificate line. back to ancestry againthen, Thanks for looking Zoe and Nell

2nd marriage Hallam, Sarah Ann 1898 June Marriages Basford Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Preston, Fred Kidger 1898 June Marriages Basford Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Sallis, William 1898 June Marriages Basford Derbyshire Nottinghamshire Walker, Mary Elizabeth 1898 June Marriages Basford Volume: 7b Page: 223 Sue

Well Done Sue didn't think of that DOH! Zoe

Ruths death Name: Preston, Ruth Kidger Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 27 Quarter: June Year: 1895 District: Shardlow County: Derbyshire Leicestershire Nottinghamshire Volume: 7b Page: 253

So it looks like the Preston comes from his name! Zoe

Hi Thanks for the marriage find, I've just been on ancestry trying to find Rebeccas and Fred births as suggested, no trace of them either, even thought I know rebeccas birth was Oct 1893 (shes my grandmother). I do know Freds mothers surname was Preston do you suppose he just decided to use it from time to time. Its weird

It's a possiblity these ancestors just like us to be little detectives don't they.........LOL Zoe

I do know that if the latter day saints are right and we meet four generations of our family when we die,one or two of them are going to have a piece of my mind!!. Anyway off to write some £7 cheques now. Thanks for your help Zoe and Sue.