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What happened to William and his wife Susan/Susanna(h) after 1871?

William was born in Bodicote in 1851, son of Francis Claydon and Elizabeth Hayward.

CLAYDON, WILLIAM mmn HAZWARD
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 16 Page 16


William Claydon
in the 1861 England Census
Name William Claydon
Gender Male
Age 9
Relation Son
Estimated Birth Year 1852
Father's Name Francis Claydon
Mother's Name Elizabeth Claydon
Where born Boddicott, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish Bodicote
County/Island Oxfordshire
Country England
Registration district Banbury
Sub-registration district Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel 16
Neighbors
Household schedule number 51
Piece 914
Folio 78
Page number 11
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Francis Claydon 32 Head
Elizabeth Claydon 34 Wife
Mary J Claydon 11 Daughter
William Claydon 9 Son
Thomas Claydon 8 Son
Richard Claydon 6 Son
Sarah Claydon 4 Daughter


William Claydon
in the Oxfordshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name William Claydon [labourer ]
Gender Male
Marriage Age 19
Event Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1851
Marriage Date 11 Apr 1870
Marriage Place Banbury, St Mary, Oxfordshire, England
Spouse Susan Anna Maria Turner [father: John Turner ]
Father Francis Claydon


William Claydon
in the 1871 England Census
Name William Claydon
Age 19
Estimated Birth Year 1852
Relation Son-in-law
Gender Male
Where born Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish Banbury
Ecclesiastical parish St Mary
Town Banbury
County/Island Oxfordshire
Country England
Registration district Banbury
Sub-registration district Banbury
ED, institution, or vessel 3
Household schedule number 48
Piece 1464
Folio 26
Page number 8
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Eliza Ann Turner 53 Head
William Claydon 19 Son-in-law , ag lab <<<<<<<<<<<
Susannah Claydon 26 Daughter <<<<<<<<<<<
Henry Turner 24 Son
Phillip Turner 15 Son

After that, I can't see either William or Susan/Susanna(h).


He is NOT the William Claydon, born 1851 in Cuddesdon (reg district Headington), who married Mary Ann Hilsdon, nee Turner, father Edwin Turner, in 1874, and by 1881 had had children William Edward, Lizzie Louisa, Lily Emily, and Herbert Henry - and others later.
That man died in Cuddeston in 1920, and his father was Joseph, per the marriage cert.

Susan/Susanna(h) was born 1846, mmn Herbert, father John.
She is NOT the unmarried Susan Turner who is a domestic servant at an orphanage in Radford, Oxon in 1891 and 1901 , and an inmate of a Nazareth Home in Oxford in 1911.
She is also NOT the Susanna Claydon who married Thomas Wood in 1897 - that's a much younger woman.

Perhaps someone else can spot something I've missed?

Thanks!

I imagine you’ve checked whether they emigrated…….

Yes, I don't see any record of that.

I knew that you would have checked……….just dotting i’s etc

Looks like another brick wall - ah, well!

He's in several Ancestry trees. None have any record of him after 1871 - apart from the ones which have confused him with the other William Claydon who died in Cuddesdon in 1920.

Update:
I've just discovered, on Papers Past website, that William and Susan went to New Zealand.

Arrival of the Warwick.
Auckland Star, Volume VI, Issue 1543, 22 January 1875, Page 2

"The fine iron clippership Warwick " left London on 11 October 1874, and arrived in Auckland on 22 Jan 1875.
Among the long list of names of passengers are:
"Claydon: Wm 23, Susan 29."

No travel record on Ancestry.

I had known that trees on Ancestry claim that William's younger brothers Thomas (1853) and Richard (1855) went to NZ on the "Crusader" , arriving 31/12/1874 - without proof, and there's also no travel record on Ancestry - but I hadn't found anything for William until now.

Susan's death, sadly only about a year after arrival:

Susan Anne Maria Claydon
in the New Zealand, Death Index, 1848-1966
Name Susan Anne Maria Claydon
Death Date 1876 Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Place Bay of Islands, Auckland, New Zealand
Folio Number 1156


I was looking for proof of Thomas and Richard's arrival in NZ when I found William and Susan by chance.
There are reports of the arrival of the "Crusader" on 31/12 /1874, but no list of passengers, as far as I can see.

NZ newspapers have lots of items about the later lives of Thomas and Richard.

Richard's obituary, in 1932, says "Mr Claydon came out to New Zealand when 19 years of age by the sailing vessel Crusader."

:-D :-D :-D

From Family Search
Collection - New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973

An assisted Emigration to Auckland costing the Government £29 for them both

Name William Claydon
Sex Male
Departure Date 10 October 1874
Occupation Farm Laborer
Nationality Oxon
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1875
Event Place

Canterbury, Canterbury, New Zealand
Record Number 131

Age 23 - with Susan 29

Thomas and Richard, record also on Family Search

Richard age 20 and Thomas 22. Both Labourers.

Total cost of Passage Money to the Government £14 10s each

Name Thomas Claydon
Sex Male
Departure Date 25 September 1874
Departure Place Canterbury
Occupation Labourer
Nationality Oxfordshire
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1874
Event Place

Canterbury, Canterbury, New Zealand
Record Number 387

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Name Richd Claydon
Sex Male
Departure Date 25 September 1874
Departure Place Canterbury
Occupation Labourer
Nationality Oxfordshire
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1874
Event Place

Canterbury, Canterbury, New Zealand
Record Number 386

Many thanks for that, Greyghost!

What a stroke of luck! So glad you've managed to break through this brick wall AG...I'm sure there's another one waiting for you somewhere :-D

Don't think William managed to survive for long either. May not be him though.
1885/1978 Claydon William 33
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz


Auckland Star
25 April 1885 DEATH NOTICE

EDIT Sorry ErikaH, just added this from paperspast. He died at The Hospital, no other info.

The death record above from FMP unfortunately has no location info, merely year of death (1885) and of birth based on age at death(33)

I've already been looking at that 1885 death, which seems to be the one below:

William Claydon
in the New Zealand, Civil Registration Death Index, 1840-1972
Name William Claydon
Age 33
Birth Date abt 1852
Death Date 1885
Death Place New Zealand
Registration Number 1978


William Claydon
in the Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave® Index, 1800s-Current
Name William Claydon
Birth Date 1852
Death Date 7 Apr 1885
Death Place Auckland, New Zealand
Cemetery Symonds Street Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Auckland, Auckland Council, Auckland, New Zealand
Has Bio? Y
Spouse Emma Claydon
Children Annie Wigg


This is Emma's death:

Emma Claydon
in the Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave® Index, 1800s-Current
Name Emma Claydon
Maiden Name Holloway
Birth Date 1843
Birth Place Allesley, Metropolitan Borough of Coventry, West Midlands, England
Death Date 3 Oct 1922
Death Place Auckland, New Zealand
Cemetery Waikumete Cemetery & Crematorium
Burial or Cremation Place Glen Eden, Auckland Council, Auckland, New Zealand
Has Bio? N
Spouse William Claydon
Children
Ellen Tracey
Annie Wigg


Can't prove that's the right William, but seems a good possibility.


Can't see any marriage between William and Emma.

Emma Holloway
in the Warwickshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1910
Name Emma Holloway
Event Type Marriage
Marriage or Bann Date 10 Dec 1861
Marriage or Bann Place Lillington, Warwickshire, England
Parish Lillington
Spouse John Holtom
Father Joseph Holloway

John Holtom/Holton died in Auckland on 26 March 1875.

Daughter Ellen's birth:

HOLTON, ELLEN mmn HOLLOWAY
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 491

Ellen junior married John Tracey in NZ in 1888, had several children, and died in Auckland on 9 Oct 1946. (I won't post all the records.)


William and Ellen (senior)'s daughter Annie Claydon was born 1883 in NZ.
Married Albert George Wigg in NZ in 1907.
Died in Auckland 9 May 1952.
A tree on Ancestry has a photo of her.

William and Ellen must have got together some time between John Holtom's death in 1875 and Annie's birth in 1883.

But without a marriage cert, I can't prove he's "my" William .

A tree on Ancestry claims he's this William:

Births Mar 1852 (>99%)
Claydon William Solihull 6d 415

However, the tree's very muddled and full of mistakes.
Even though it says he died in 1885 in NZ, it also has him marrying another wife in London in 1900, and living in Croydon in 1911, aged only 41.

Nothing to do with William Claydon , whether mine or not - but for interest (yes, it's an addiction!):

Emma and John Holtom also had a son William in Lillington, Warks in 1863 (or maybe late 1862 - baptised 11 Jan 1863).

William (occupation : traveller) went to Massachusetts, USA, arriving there via London (previous residence Wellington, NZ) on 25 Aug 1895, and married Mary Butler of Coventry, England in Massachusetts on 31 Aug 1895.

In 1890 a William Holtom, a commercial traveller, was living in Auckland.

William and Emma also had William Henry in 1878 and Ernest in 1881.

Familysearch has this information on it but there are no records apart from the births.


William Claydon
Male
Sources (5)
Memories (0)
Collaborate (0)
Birth: 1852
Death: 7 April 1885New Zealand

Immigration
1875New Zealand
To New Zealand
Reason This Information Is Correct:

Also arrived on the ship Warwick 21st January 1875 with 2 sisters Susan Maria & Fanny Louisa - William started relationship with Emma Holloway Holtom after her husband John died of typhoid
Last Changed: June 13, 2024

This was added on June 13th, 2024 by Mark29438

Thanks, Alviegal.
Interesting! Pity there's no proof!


HOLTON, FANNY mmn HOLLAWAY
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in WARWICK Volume 06D Page 512

Fanny (no middle name at birth, marriage, or death) married a William Tracey (possible relative of her sister Ellen's husband?) in 1896 in NZ and died in 1930. Buried in same cemetery as her husband, two children died in infancy, her mother Emma, another Fanny Tracey died 1929, and a Gladys Jean Cantell aged 5 (1921-26).
I think Gladys Jean was grand-daughter of Fanny - parents Gladys Tracey (1902) and Robert James Cantell.

Other siblings (I haven't bothered to check for possible others with mis-spellings. This is now just to satisfy the research craving, as the Holtom/Holloway children were only step-family of William Claydon):

Emma Eliza 1865; Mary Ann 1868; John 1873 - all registered in Warwick reg district.

John 1873 is also buried in Waikumete Cemetery (1940) , though in different grave from Fanny, Emma, etc.

I don't see Fanny Louisa or Susan Maria (or John, for that matter) on the Warwick passenger list.
As well as Wm and Susan Claydon, there are:

"Holtham: John 35, Emma 33".
No children listed with them.

I've now found Mark29438's tree on FamilySearch, as quoted previously by Alviegal.

I had thought that Fanny Louisa and Susan Mary, mentioned in Alviegal's post, were Holtoms - but according to Mark29438 they were Claydons.

He says Susan was born 1846 and died 1876, and Fanny born 1856, and that their parents were Joseph Claydon and Catherine Holloway.
No proof of anything. No places of birth or death.

Dare I say - I think it's a load of rubbish.

Fanny and Susan are not on the "Warwick" passenger list.

There is a birth of a Susannah Claydon, mmn Holloway in 1846 - in Northampton - but no Claydon/Holloway births of William 1852 or Fanny 1856.

He says Susan Maria died in 1876 - he's clearly latched onto William's wife Susan's death. I don't see any other 1876 death of a Susan Claydon in NZ.

I don't see the marriage of a Joseph Claydon and Catherine Holloway.

AG- Do you see any substance in the FindaGrave entry against both William and Emma suggesting "(m. 1877)"
Seems rather specific to the year, given that the other familial entries listed on Gravesite Details appear to be correct

Family Search
Migration • New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973
page 22

Given Name: Fanny L
Surname: Claydon
Sex: F
Age 19

Date: 2 February 1875
Month: 2
Year: 1875
Day: 2
Place
Port: Auckland
Place: Auckland, New Zealand
Country: New Zealand

Emigration Date
Year: 1874
Month: October
Date: 10 Oct 1874
Day: 10
Additional Fields

Occupation: Servant
Nationality: Middlesex

Above person may be identical to:

First name(s) Fanny Louisa
Last name Claydon
Volume 1B
Birth registration year 1855
Page 92
Registration quarter 2
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Mother's maiden name Garrard **************************
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District St. Pancras
Subcategory Civil Births
County London

May be the Fanny listed on the Warwick ???