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In 1901 census Samuel Owens was tenant farmer at Tanhouse farm, while Wiliam T George was at the Hole Farm.


This newspaper report of the burial of the second Baron Bateman in 1901 confirms they were tenants on the Shobdon estate:


. . . . . . . of the Hereford Times last week. The church, dedicated to St. John the Evangelist adjoins the Court, and the late Peer was the patron of the living attached, held by his brother, the Hon. and Rev. Arthur Allen Bateman Hanbury. It is a cruciform building, and was erected about the year 1753 on the site of former edifice. It has a monument to the memory of the previous Lord Viscount Bateman. Profound respect and sympathy was displayed in the county generally, and the little village of Shobdon bore a very sorrowful aspect. The funeral took place at half-past two, and the ceremony was a very impressive one. The coffin, heavily draped in purple, and covered with beautiful wreaths, was removed from the saloon where it had lain to the church and afterwards to the grave side on a wheeled bier. There was a coronet coat [of] arms [on ?] top together with the following inscription : William Bateman Bateman-Hanbury, Second Baron, born July 28th, 1826, died November 30th, 1901. There were ten bearers, as follows ; Messrs Jenkins (Ladycourt),Williams (Brome), Williams (Covrnkcpc). George (The Hole), Wintour (Hill Home), Powell (The Farm), Bright (Ladycourt), Jenkins, junr., Owen (Tanhouse), and W. A. Morgan (Ladycourt).

They were all tenants on the Shobdon estate. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Chief mourners included Captain the Hon. William Spencer Bateman Hanbury, who succeeds to the perrape. Major the Hon. Enward Hanbury, the Hon. Charles Hanbury (sons), Prebendary the Hon. A. Bateman (brother), Mr Robert Foster, Mr John Wood and S. Hill Wood (son-in-law), Mr Arthur Davenport ..... . . [and so on]

Published: Saturday 14 December 1901
Newspaper: Hereford Times
County: Herefordshire, England

Thanks. Sorry I didn't see Erica's until after I replied

His occupation was farm labourer, as shown on the full version of the record posted by ErikaH at 17:10.

(I don't have a sub to FMP to enable me to see the full details online, but she does.)

He was working for Samuel Owens on Hole Farm, which was part of Shobdon Court estate.
Samuel was probably a tenant of the owner of Shobdon Court.

The Bateman family owned Shobdon Court for several generations, and still owned it in 1921:

https://herefordshirepast.co.uk/people/bateman-family-of-shobdon/

Again Thank you everyone for all this information.
Interesting to see a son Daniel born 1928 and the marriage and death.
The school records are probably correct, John had a sister Emma. Not sure why they would be at different schools maybe the age but seems right..
The 1939 Census seems right and he could have moved to Worcester, I dont know if he as a farm Labourer but they changed occupations a lot and his father James was a farm labourer. I dont know who Irene Edith is though.

Argyll/gran-1921 Census John Adams is interesting could be him. I will look into Shobden Court -does it say his occupation? It has been suggested that the Aristocratic family living at Ledbury could be at Ledbury Park or Easton Castle but I am just about to research those too.

Thank you all. Im still working it all out. !

Thanks to AG's 'find'................1921 in detail

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Hole Farm, Kingsland, Shobdon, Herefordshire, England
Samuel Arthur Owens Head Male 1861 60 Radnorshire, Wales Farmer Employer. WIDOWED
Lydia Margery Owens Daughter Female 1909 12 Shobdon, Herefordshire, England - -
Barbara Annie Owens Daughter Female 1910 10 Shobdon, Herefordshire, England - -
Mary Simpson Servant Female 1856 64 Winforton, Herefordshire, England Home Duties Private
John Addams Servant Male 1905 16 Bicton, Herefordshire, England General Farm Labourer Mr Owens Farmer
Arthur Dubly Servant Male 1854 67 Eardisland, Herefordshire, England General Labourer Mr Owens Farmer

Correction of head's name submitted to FMP

OWENS, LYDIA MARGERY KNILL
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in LEOMINSTER Volume 06A Page 464


Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Knill Ann Leominster 6a 1125
Knill Eliza Leominster 6a 1125
Owens Samuel Arthur Leominster 6a 1125

In 1921 ???

John
Addams
1905
POB: Bicton, Herefordshire, England [ approx 5.5 miles from Shobdon ]
Residence: Shobdon Leominster Herefordshire

With Sarah [Samuel ] Arthur Owens 1861, Lydia Margery Owens 1909, Barbara Annie Owens 1910, Arthur Dubly 1854, and Mary Simpson 1856.


The Owens family in 1911:

Barbara Annie Owens
in the 1911 England Census
Name Barbara Annie Owens
Age in 1911 9/12
Estimated Birth Year abt 1910
Relation to Head Daughter
Gender Female
Birth Place X
Civil parish Shobdon
County/Island Herefordshire
Country England
Street Address The Hole Farm, Shobdon, Herefordshire <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration District Number 340
Sub-registration district Kingsland
ED, institution, or vessel 09
Piece 15828
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Arthur Owens 50 Head, farmer, employer
Eliza Owens 46 Wife
Mary Elizabeth Owens 21 Daughter
Margarette Matilda Owens 13 Daughter
Lidia Margery Owens 3 Daughter
Barbara Annie Owens 9/12 Daughter [ age 6 months on image ]
William Jones 20 Servant - Waggoner on farm
Walter Langford 18 Servant - Ploughman on farm


Hole Farm seems to have been part of the Shobdon Court estate - and Shobdon Court would have been a very grand house indeed.

https://www.british-history.ac.uk/rchme/heref/vol3/pp179-182
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shobdon_Court

errisc unit is probably Territorial.

Edith Irene is mmn Walker

Births Jun 1935
Adams Edith I Walker Ross 6a 659

Are above couple those referenced in the wedding by Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it 30 May 2024 07:39 ??

I tried the JJ Adams Glamorganshire DOB "06/04/1906" with a "+-2 yrs" and surname "Adams " as the search parameters in the 1939 Register

Only 1 result for a John J

1939 Register
Mere Green Cottages, Fernhill Heath, Droitwich R.D., Worcestershire, England

John J Adams 06 Apr 1904 Male Farm Labourer Married 41 1
Edith (M) Adams 06 Jun 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 41 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Irene (Edith) Jukes (Adams) 23 Jun 1935 Female Under School Age Single 41 4

Yes, I know the YOB is 2yrs out.

But there is an entry in the notes which is not fully legible which reads

"Served in 2nd Hereford ?errisc unit at Ledbury 1927"

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Newton Lane, Newton, Newton, Herefordshire, England

James Adams Head Male 1866 54 Herefordshire, England Cowman (Farm) Mr Johnson Farmer

Minnie J Adams Wife Female 1878 43 Herefordshire, England House Duties Domestic Farm Servant, Mrs Smith

Emma Adams Daughter Female 1902 19 Shobdon, Herefordshire, England - Out Of Work

Minnie Adams Daughter Female 1907 13 Glamorganshire, Wales Domestic Servant Mr Morgan Farmer

Margaret Adams Daughter Female 1911 9 Glamorganshire, Wales - -
Herbert Adams Son Male 1914 7 Herefordshire, England - -

May Adams Daughter Female 1918 2 Herefordshire, England - -

Gwendoline Adams Daughter Female 1921 - Dinmore, Herefordshire, England - -

greyghost- 1939 register entry noted.

-OP stated the family was at Newton Lane on 1921 Register (entry above)
-Minnie jr and Margaret both born Glamorganshire
-Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it entry dated 30 May 2024 18:40
shows John James Adams school admission in Glamorganshire



Is the Glamorganshire JJ Adams the OP's individual, given she mentioned them living at 5 station terrace Llanwit Fadre at the time and the school child's father name is James?

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John James sister Emma ??

First name(s) Emma Annie
Parent's name(s) James Adams ***
Last name Adams
Archive Glamorganshire Archives
Birth year 1903
Archive reference ELL/19/2/2
Birth date 05 Jun 1903
Book type Admissions
Event year 1910
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
School name Llantwit Fadre School (Mixed) *****
Category Education & work
Town Llantwit Fadre
Subcategory Schools & Education
County Glamorganshire
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
Country Wales

The 1939 posted by Jink20 would appear to be the "other John James with his Mother Agnes, ruled out by the OP as the incorrect person.

Don't forget Rose, that his birth was registered in Q2 of 1906. As 6 weeks is allowed in which to register a birth he could have been born as early as mid February.

Also, unfortunately, whilst both days and month are often (but not always) correct in the 1939 register and other documents, the year is sometimes wrong.

2 John J deaths in Hereford which equate to a 1906 birth (if he stayed in that County !)
Unfortunately years not covered by the GRO site to give full name for the J initial.

Deaths Jun 1959 (>99%)
ADAMS John J 53 Hereford 9a 46

Deaths Dec 1966 (>99%)
ADAMS JOHN J 60 HEREFORD 9A 46

1939 Register
Rosemore St Guthlac Street, Hereford, Hereford M.B., Herefordshire, England

Agnes Adams 12 Aug 1869 Female Private Means Widowed 185 1

John James Adams 06 Mar 1906 Male Clerk Public Health Dept Hfd County Married 185 2

Rose Gladys Adams 02 Jan 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 185 3

Rosemary Stagg-Macey (Adams) 20 Apr 1934 Female At School Single 185 4

Richard Adams 12 Sep 1935 Male Under School Age Single 185 5

I am aware of the " born in Quarter April/May/ June 1906 " reference, but it's not the first time the records were not correct

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John James Adams in 1914
National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Pontypridd, Glamorganshire, Wales
First name(s) John James
Parent's name(s) James Adams
Last name Adams
Archive Glamorganshire Archives
Birth year 1906
Archive reference EPP6/2/6
Birth date 06 Apr 1906
Book type Admissions
Event year 1914
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
School name Graig Board School/graig-Y-Wion, Pontypridd (Boys)
Category Education & work
Town Pontypridd
Subcategory Schools & Education
County Glamorganshire
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
Country Wales

The birth date wouid tie with a June qtr registration

Won’t be an open record on the 1939 register

Title Mr
Postcode area GL
First name(s) Daniel James
Postcode district GL3
Last name Adams
Postcode sector GL3 4
Sex Male
County Gloucestershire
Birth year 1928
Country England
Age 90
Record set England & Wales Deaths 2007-2024
Death year 2018
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death date 05 Sep 2018
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence Gloucester
Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales
Area Gloucester

And possibly marriage

First name(s) Daniel J
County Gloucestershire
Last name Adams
Country England
Marriage quarter 1
Volume 22
Marriage year 1976
Volume as transcribed 22
Registration month -
Page number 1325
MarriageFinder™ Daniel J Adams married one of these people
Doris Houlden
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Spouse's last name Houlden
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Gloucester
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
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Other records featuring that name

If you get the marriage cert, come back with his address so we can look again.

Well there certainly seems to one child born

Births Mar 1928
Adams Daniel J Bridges Ledbury 6a 663

Thanks for the replies
Shirley- Thanks. I did see that marriage in 1927but I dont know if it is him.will need to get certificate.
Erika - I could not find him on the 1939 Census or a death.

Unfortunately I have no more info about him. He was born in Quarter April/May/ June 1906 so very few John Adams in with birth in that period when I look at the 1939 Census and the only one I thought might match was one in Wiltshire born 8/5/06 and Single but that one does not seem too likely as I understood he stayed around Ledbury and especially if that marriage is him- I cant find him and Edith on the 1939 census either.
All I have been given is that he moved to Ledbury to work in a Big house outside of Ledbury working for an "aristocratic family" around 1921 so was trying to get more info from that. I know I am looking for a"needle in a haystack"
Thanks

Searching 1921 for a name using 'Ledbury' as a location produces 'no results', but using address search produces plenty.

I have contacted FMP to ask them to rectify this situation..................not holding my breath!