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3 Sep 2021 20:21 |
Name Jean Margaret Barratt Death Age 62 Birth Date 14 Aug 1943 Registration Date Nov 2005 Registration district east Retford Inferred County Nottinghamshire Register Number 1A District and Subdistrict 686/1A Entry Number 258 Household members
Death of the daughter.
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Teresa
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3 Sep 2021 16:21 |
Amazing help, thank-you so much :-)
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3 Sep 2021 16:05 |
EDIT: Oops, too late - I see others have posted already!
This is the birth claimed in several trees on Ancestry -
Births Mar 1917 (>99%) Wilson John Teather Southwell 7b 812
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%) TEATHER Violet Southwell 7b 509 WILSON John Southwell 7b 509
Births Dec 1882 (>99%) Teather Violet Southwell 7b 400
Violet Wilson in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Violet Wilson Gender: Female Marital Status: Married Birth Date: 29 Sep 1882 Residence Year: 1939 Address: Saywood.kueesal, Newark Residence Place: Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 21 Schedule Number: 73 Sub Schedule Number: 2 Enumeration District: ROLK Borough: Southwell Registration district: 431/2. Inferred Spouse: John Wilson Inferred Children: Fred Wilson Edwin Wilson Household Members Age John Wilson 56 Violet Wilson 57 Fred Wilson 25 Edwin Wilson 11 This record is officially closed. Annie Fortescue 32
Violet Wilson in the 1911 England Census Name: Violet Wilson Age in 1911: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Kneesall, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Laxton Country: England Street Address: Laxton Notts Marital status: Married Occupation: House Keper Registration District Number: 431 Sub-registration District: Kneesall ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Piece: 20711 Household Members: Name Age John Wilson 28 - farm labourer [ "not in residence"] Violet Wilson 28 Annie Wilson 4 Bernard Wilson 1
The 1911 form is signed by Alfred H Chell, for some reason.
WILSON, ANNIE mmn TEATHER GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 07B Page 506
WILSON, BERNARD mmn TEATHER GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 07B Page 488
WILSON, ERNEST mmn TEATHER GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 07B Page 875
WILSON, FREDERICK mmn TEATHER GRO Reference: 1914 J Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 984
WILSON, FRANCES MARY mmn TEATHER GRO Reference: 1919 M Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 07B Page 635
WILSON, VIOLET mmn TEATHER GRO Reference: 1922 J Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 07B Page 830
Two trees call him Jack B Wilson. Several say he died in Retford in 2005.
WILSON, JOHN 1916 GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2005 in BASSETLAW (6861A) Reg 1A Entry Number 233
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3 Sep 2021 15:47 |
Have found another tree on Ancestry which gives -
John (Jack) B Wilson b 19.12.1916 to John Thomas Wilson and Violet Teather
There are pictures of John Thomas and Violet and of John (Jack) B Wilson
(tree called barky1 by the Barkworth family, but you still need certificates)
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Teresa
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3 Sep 2021 15:44 |
Wow, thank-you very much for all this extra info, a bit confusing so will sort it out for him Teresa
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greyghost
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3 Sep 2021 15:39 |
This is that family in 1939. The T has been added in at a later date than the original record.
1939 Register Saywood, Knessall,Newark, Sutton On Trent, Southwell R.D., Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number John (T) Wilson 22 Apr 1883 Male Agricultural General Labourer Married 73 1 Violet Wilson 29 Sep 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 73 2 Fred Wilson 29 Mar 1914 Male General Farm Worker Single 73 3 Edwin Wilson 03 Dec 1928 Male At School Single 73 4 Annie Dodson (Fortescue) 16 Mar 1907 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 73 6 The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed. The record for this person is officially closed.
--------------------------- Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Jun 1914 (>99%) WILSON Frederick Teather Newark 7b 984
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3 Sep 2021 15:33 |
These are the only records to "Fit" the Ancestry tree, but no mention anywhere of the Thomas shown 1939
Marriage cert definitely needed
Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page Births Mar 1917 (>99%) Wilson John Teather Southwell 7b 812 Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ------------------------------
Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%) TEATHER Violet Southwell 7b 509 WILSON John Southwell 7b 509
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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Wilson Servant Married Male 28 1883 Farm labourer Notts Newark Violet Wilson Servant Married Female 28 1883 House keper Notts Kneesall Annie Wilson - - Female 4 1907 - - Bernard Wilson - - Male 1 1910 - -
Married 6 years, 3 children born, 1 has died
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alviegal
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3 Sep 2021 15:22 |
A tree on ancestry has this for John Wilson.
John Wilson
1916–2005
Birth 19 DEC 1916 • Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England
Death NOV 2005 • East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
This is the man you've found greyghost but there are no records to back it up. The MC is still advised.
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greyghost
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3 Sep 2021 15:05 |
That would give you this chap in 1939
1939 Register Manor Farm, West Markham, East Retford R.D., Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Frank Dolby 28 Sep 1890 Male Farmer Married 43 1 Laura A Dolby 06 Aug 1891 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 43 2 Frederick Dolby 15 Mar 1859 Male Farmer Retired Widowed 43 3 John (Thomas) Wilson 19 Dec 1916 Male General Farm Worker Single 43 4
Original says John Wilson, but in 1972 a change has been noted making his forenames Thomas John
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greyghost
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3 Sep 2021 15:03 |
Yes, nothing comes out in a sensible order does it ErikaH. Good job, I've got time to fiddle a little -
???? Wondering about this death for John - same RD and just 5 years older than Eileen
England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 East Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) John Last name Wilson District number 6861A Register number 1A Gender Male Entry number 233 Birth day 19 Birth month 12 Birth year 1916 Date of registration mm/yy 1105 County Nottinghamshire Country England Age - Death quarter 4 Death Year 2005
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ErikaH
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3 Sep 2021 14:47 |
Eileen's death - FMP's new system is AWFUL
First name(s) Eileen May District East Retford Last name Wilson Register number 686 Gender Female County Nottinghamshire Birth day 5 Birth month 3 Birth year 1921 Country England Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Death quarter 2 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Registration Month 6 Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials Death year 1986
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ErikaH
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3 Sep 2021 14:44 |
Wallace re-married
Marriages Dec 1941 (>99%) Barkworth Wallace Lindley E.Retford 7b 40 Lindley Lillie Barkworth E.Retford 7b 40
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ErikaH
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3 Sep 2021 14:41 |
First name(s) Wallace Residence town Wakefield Last name Barkworth Residence county Yorkshire Birth year 1893 Residence country England Birth town Doncaster Series WO 363 Birth county Yorkshire Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents' Birth country England Age 23 Record set British Army Service Records Year 1916 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Service number 361288 Subcategory First World War Regiment Labour Corps Collections from Great Britain, UK None
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ErikaH
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3 Sep 2021 14:41 |
Births Sep 1893 (>99%) Keyworth Alice Emily E. Retford 7b 10
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ErikaH
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3 Sep 2021 14:39 |
Births Dec 1917 (>99%) Barkworth John R Keyworth E.Retford 7b 18 Births Dec 1919 (>99%) Barkworth Joan E Keyworth E. Retford 7b 18 Births Jun 1921 (>99%) Barkworth Eileen M Keyworth E.Retford 7b 15 Births Mar 1923 (>99%) Barkworth Kenneth Keyworth E.Retford 7b 13 Births Dec 1925 (>99%) Barkworth Olive M Keyworth E.Retford 7b 22
Actually the one I mentioned originally is the right woman - she was recorded twice, but only on the Rampton record was her marriage noted
1939 9 Leverton Road, Retford, East Retford M.B., Nottinghamshire
Wallace Barkworth 29 Nov 1893 Male Elec (Fuel & Ce? Orders Widowed 47 1 John R Barkworth 06 Nov 1917 Male Paper Maker (Machinist) Single 47 2 Joan E Jackson (Barkworth) 02 Oct 1919 Female Grocers Assistant Single 47 3 Eileen L Barkworth 05 Mar 1921 Female Kitchen Made Single 47 4 Kenneth Barkworth 20 Nov 1922 Male Hairdresser (Apprentice Single 47 5 Olive M Delaporte (Barkworth) 21 Oct 1925 Female At School Single 47 6
Wallace died 1959
Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%) Barkworth Wallace Keyworth Wakefield 9c 149 Keyworth Alice E Barkworth Wakefield 9c 149
1901
127, Moorgate, Retford, North Retford, East Retford George Baulby Head Married Male 59 1842 Bricklayer Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Ann Baulby Wife Married Female 65 1836 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Emma Barkworth Daughter Married Female 34 1867 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Wallace Barkworth Grand son - Male 7 1894 - Retford, Nottinghamshire, England
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alviegal
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3 Sep 2021 14:34 |
Eileen M Wilson (Barkworth) in 1939 1939 Register Rampton State Institution Near Retford,Notts, East Retford, East Retford R.D., Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Eileen M Schedule 7 Last name(s) Wilson (Barkworth) Schedule Sub Number 128 DOB - Borough / District East Retford R.D. Birth day - County Nottinghamshire Birth month - County Nottinghamshire Birth year - Country England Sex Female Archive reference RG101/6264I/009/35 Marital status - Piece number 6264I Occupation Kitchen Maid Item number 9 Special interest groups - Line number 35 Address Rampton State Institution Near Retford,Notts, East Retford Category Census, land & surveys Place East Retford R.D. Subcategory Census E. D. letter code ROHR Collections from Great Britain, England
Date of birth may be 5/3/21, it is obscured by tape.
and her family in 1939.
Joan E Jackson (Barkworth) in 1939
9 Leverton Road, Retford, East Retford M.B., Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number Wallace Barkworth 29 Nov 1893 Male Elec (Fuel & Lighting Orders Widowed 47 1 John R Barkworth 06 Nov 1917 Male Paper Maker (Machinist) Single 47 2 Joan E Jackson (Barkworth) 02 Oct 1919 Female Grocers Assistant Single 47 3 Eileen L Barkworth 05 Mar 1921 Female Kitchen Made Single 47 4 Kenneth Barkworth 20 Nov 1922 Male Hairdresser (Apprentice Single 47 5 Olive M Delaporte (Barkworth) 21 Oct 1925 Female At School Single 47 6
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Teresa
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3 Sep 2021 14:23 |
Yes Erika, I will tell him to send for one. TY
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ErikaH
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3 Sep 2021 14:13 |
He needs the marriage cert…………
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Teresa
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3 Sep 2021 14:12 |
Ah just picked you last message up, thank-you.
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Teresa
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3 Sep 2021 14:10 |
ErikaH, he knows very little about any of his family, just a couple of his grandparents, who were actually my Dads friends, I have managed to trace 6 of his greats but was struggling with the ones I asked about. It is unfortunate to have a common name so I thank-you for your time anyway
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