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Elizabeth Coulter born c1865

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Peter

Peter Report 16 Aug 2021 15:49

I am trying to find the ancestors, without much luck so far, of my great grandmother who I believe was Elizabeth Coulter who was born c1865 possibly in Edinburgh but the place of birth maybe in error. Her father was possibly Alexander Coulter?
In 1883 she married my great grandfather, Arthur John Randall, who lived 1859 to 1923 in Derbyshire. They had at least 8 children including my grandmother, Alice Randall.
Unfortunately I can find no positive information on Ellen Coulter or her ancestors.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 16 Aug 2021 15:56

Where have you been looking? Scotland’s People is the place for Scottish records.

Her marriage certificate should give you the name and occupation of her father.

Bear in mind that she might have said Edinburgh as people had heard of it rather than somewhere near Edinburgh.

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Aug 2021 15:59

1911 for ref

1 Bridge Street Off Hawthorne ST, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

Arthur John Randall Head
Married Male 51 1860 Criple no occupation Hasland Derbyshire
Ellen Randall Wife
Married Female 46 1865 Assisting in house Edinbrough Scotland
William Bernard Randall Son
Single Male 23 1888 Laborer Chesterfield Derbyshire
Alice Randall Daughter
Single Female 16 1895 Servant Chesterfield Derbyshire
Ellen Randall Daughter
Single Female 16 1895 Servant Chesterfield Derbyshire
Elizabeth Randall Daughter
Single Female 12 1899 Attending school Chesterfield Derbyshire
Wallace Randall Son
Single Male 17 1894 Collier hewer Chesterfield Derbyshire

1881
Name: Ellen Coleltir
[Ellen Coulter]
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Edinborough
[Edinburgh, Scotland]
Civil Parish: Chesterfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address: 23 High St
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Genl Serv
Registration District: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Aug 2021 16:04

a tree on ancestry has this
Name
Ellen Coulter
Gender
Female
Birth Date
15 Jun 1865
Birth Place
Waringstown, Down, Ireland
Father
Alexander Coulter
Mother
Elizabeth Sands
FHL Film Number
101110
Household members

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Aug 2021 16:07

Name: Ellen Coulter
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1864
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1883
Marriage Place: Hasland, Derbyshire, England
Search Photos: Search for 'Hasland' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Alexander Coulter deceased
Spouse: Arthur Randle

EDIT she was a spinster

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 16 Aug 2021 16:12

If that 1911 census Maddie posted is correct, all the children have the mmn as Read/Reid

You have put 2 different names for her in the opening post. Is she Elizabeth or Ellen please?

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Aug 2021 16:16

nearest from sp

COULTER

ELLEN

F

1863

501/ 111

Old or West Kilpatrick

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 16 Aug 2021 16:16

Have you got Alice’s birth certificate as this could show if her mother had been married before and known by another name.?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2021 16:23

The woman who married in 1883 was ELLEN……..why do you think her name was Elizabeth?

Peter

Peter Report 16 Aug 2021 16:24

Sorry, in my opening post I mistakenly gave her name as Elizabeth Coulter, this was an old name that I had discounted, as far as I know my great grandmothers and me was Ellen Coulter but given the dead end that I meet searching her details I cannot guarantee this is her correct name. Thanks for all the help so far.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 16 Aug 2021 16:28

Get Alice’s birth certificate!!

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 16 Aug 2021 16:51

do you know definitely your grandmother Alice's date of birth?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2021 17:05

Have you any proof that Alice’s father was Arthur John?

Peter

Peter Report 16 Aug 2021 17:07

Unfortunately I do not know the exact DOB for my grandmother Alice Randal but I do know for certain that she was born in 1911, most likely in Chesterfield, she married my grandfather Walter Redford in 1911 and died in 1912 giving birth to my mother Alice Redford

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Aug 2021 17:09

cannot see a relevant randall /reid/read marriage

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Aug 2021 17:29

Age a bit out from 1911 census !! 1901 has her as aged 8, so b late 1892 early 1893

The marriage of Alice and Walter

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Randall Alice Chesterfield 7b 1584
REDFORD Walter Chesterfield 7b 1584

Alice's death - aged 20, which would indicate a birth 1890/91

Deaths Mar 1912 (>99%)
Redford Alice 20 Chesterfield 7b 899

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
RANDALL, ALICE READ
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 665

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Aug 2021 17:32

William Bernard’s birth reg’n shows MMN Reid

Do you have Alice’s marriage cert?

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Aug 2021 17:37

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie Site is free to search

??
Name ELLEN COULTER
Date of Birth 1865
Group Registration ID 8140987
SR District/Reg Area Lurgan
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R
Image

from image -
Born 15 June 1865 at Ballynagarrick, Knocknamuckly
Father Alexander a Labourer
Mother Elizabeth formerly Sands

Superintendant Registrar's District of Lurgan, Registrar's District Waringstown
County Down

did the family move to Edinburgh when she was very young and so she thought that was where she came from?

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Aug 2021 17:47

Marriage - Party 1 Name ALEXANDER COULTER
Party 2 Name ELIZABETH SANDS
Date of Event 30 July 1852
Group Registration ID 3219875
SR District/Reg Area Banbridge

From image -
Parish Church of Tullylish, Co. Down
Both of full age
Alexander, a widower, is a Labourer, residing at time of marriage at ? Ausghanoon (Donacloney), s/o Alexander a Labourer

Elizabeth a Spinster, resided at ? Ballydragan (Knockamuckly) , d/o James Sands a Weaver

greyghost

greyghost Report 16 Aug 2021 17:54

?? - same RD etc as Ellen's birth

Name ALEXANDER COULTER
Date of Death 1876
Group Registration ID 7668591
SR District/Reg Area Lurgan
Deceased Age at Death 48

From image -
Registrar's District - Waringstown
Died 9 Dec. 1876 @ Ballynagarrick.
Married Aged 48
A Weaver.
Registered by a Margaret Coulter - no relationship given