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23 Jul 2020 10:05 |
There's an example of extra info that can be found in an RC marr rego that's not in the official marr cert at the end of my post at: https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1363895?page=2
Lancashire Archives is responsible for the archives of the Roman Catholic dioceses of Lancaster, Liverpool, and Salford although many Roman Catholic registers are still kept in their respective parishes. https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/
https://www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-and-record-office/our-collections/church-registers-guide/ M For references in bold e.g. RCLN, please consult catalogues for individual register details and the full reference. For records in the Searchroom held on microfiche, microfilm or in printed or CRS format, please help yourself or consult a member of the Searchroom Team. MANCHESTER, Cheetham Hill, St Chad [formerly Roman Entry, later Rook Street];Diocese of Salford C 1762, 1772-1821, 1828-1916 M 1828-1922 Orig reg RCMCC 1762, 1772-1821, 1828-1916 M 1828-1922 Copy reg Microfilm MF 9/81-89 For baptisms 1821-1828 see St Augustine’s, Granby Row, Manchester C 1947-1962, 1964M 1947-1954, 1961-1964 Reg rets RCSF 2 C 1772-1821M 1828-1840 Copy reg`Microfilm DDX 241/24 C 1847-1856, 1870-1872 Index Microfilm MF 9/83, 85
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Sylann
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21 Jul 2020 16:31 |
Your right their is a lot I've checked to see if MMN matches but their are some with no MMN or MMN Kelly Their are that many it's like a needle in a hay stack
Think I'll leave this one their are loads for me to go at Just sent for another certificate hopefully that one will be better
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ErikaH
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21 Jul 2020 16:04 |
Check the possible birth I posted for Ellen some time ago
There's a lot 'not right', but if people don't marry there are always going to be problems with tracing them
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Sylann
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21 Jul 2020 15:36 |
Thank you
Although it sounds good Their is no birth for Ellen & Mary Kelly with MMN Gunning I think if she had John 1899 and registered him why hasn't she registered Mary 1888 & Ellen 1896 . John isn't mentioned on the 1901 census could have died? Their is some thing not quite right
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ArgyllGran
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20 Jul 2020 17:27 |
Another child:
Birth: KELLY, JOHN mms GUNNING GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 317
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20 Jul 2020 17:27 |
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 20, Allin Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, Chorlton, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place John Cahill Head Married Male 27 1854 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England Annie Cahill Wife Married Female 27 1854 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Thomas Cahill Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England John Cahill Son Single Male 9 1872 Scholar Manchester, Lancashire, England James Cahill Son Single Male 3 1878 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Michael Cahill Son Single Male 0 1881 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Ellen Gunning Boarder Single Female 23 1858 Cotton Spinner Manchester, Lancashire, England<<<<<<<<<<
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ArgyllGran
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20 Jul 2020 17:23 |
Michael's birth also on GRO:
KALLIGER, MICHAEL mms GUNNING GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 838
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20 Jul 2020 17:04 |
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1882 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference GUNNING Ellen KELLEHER Thomas 1882 Chorlton-on-Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library CHO_RM/60/109
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20 Jul 2020 17:03 |
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1882 Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Year Sub-District Registers At Reference KALLIGER Michael GUNNING 1882 Hulme Archives+, Manchester Central Library HUL/237/16
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ElizabethK
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20 Jul 2020 16:05 |
Could that Kallicher be someones way of spelling of Gallagher? :-)
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ErikaH
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20 Jul 2020 15:36 |
You need to find the alleged marriage between John Kelly and Ellen
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Sylann
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20 Jul 2020 15:28 |
As usually the Kelly's have beaten me yet again,
Michael aged 28 in 1911 Ellen says she has been married 20yrs so that means Michael wasn't the son of John Kelly and Mary 1888 may not be John's Daughter, so the 11 children she has had might be between 2 marriages The marriage for Michael might be right and his name is Kallicher/Kalliger ? and that might be them in USA A lot of if's and but's Think I'll have to come back to this one
Thank you for your help
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Maddie
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20 Jul 2020 15:14 |
the micheal in usa has mother as as ellen kelly cheetham street manchester
there is this birth but not on gro Name: Michael Kalliger Registration Year: 1882 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Chorlton Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 838
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ErikaH
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20 Jul 2020 15:07 |
If his name wasn’t KELLY, his father wasn’t John Kelly
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Sylann
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20 Jul 2020 14:50 |
Yes I looked at that marriage some one has it on ancestry but the fathers name is Thomas not John ? and his job is wrong?
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Maddie
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20 Jul 2020 14:41 |
micheal from 1901 ????
Manchester, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
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Name: Michael Kallicher Gender: Male Marriage Age: 23 Event Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1882 Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1905 Marriage Place: Manchester, St Matthew, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Manchester, St Matthew Search Photos: Search for 'Manchester, St Matthew' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: Thomas Kallicher --- engineers labourer deceased Spouse: Elizbeth Alice Pennington
Michael Last name Kallicher Sex Male Birth year 1882 Birth date 20 Oct 1882 Origin country England Birth country England Year 1917 Destination country United States Place Boston City No 6, Massachusetts, United States County Suffolk State Massachusetts Country United States Source dataset World War I Draft Registration Cards
Name: Michael Kalliches [Michael Kallicher] Race: White Birth Date: 20 Oct 1882 Street address: 14 Hanson St Residence Place: Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, USA Relative: Ellen Kelly Relative's Relationship: Mother
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Sylann
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20 Jul 2020 13:55 |
sorry I thought You would have gathered by now I'm hopeless at new things I get myself in a mess
I'll look at the 1911 census and the 1897 GRO for Ellen
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ErikaH
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20 Jul 2020 13:38 |
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KELLY, ELLEN (MMN) CALLIGAN GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 262
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ErikaH
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20 Jul 2020 13:35 |
If the mother had only been married for 20 years in 1911, whose child was MARY?
If you look again at the image for 1911, you will see that Michael's surname has been amended
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ErikaH
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20 Jul 2020 13:24 |
It would be much more helpful if you C&P'd the census records..................
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19 Cliff St Red Bank Manchester, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Ellen Kelly Head Widow Female 49 1862 Firewood Dealer Manchester Lancashire Michael Kellicker Ws Married Male 28 1883 Hawker Manchester Lancashire Ellen Kelly Daughter - Female 14 1897 Lining Maker Manchester Lancashire
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7, Munday Street, Manchester, Lancashire, England John Kelly Head Married Male 40 1861 General Labourer Manchester, Lancashire, England Ellen Kelly Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Mary Kelly Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Manchester, Lancashire, England Ellen Kelly Daughter Single Female 4 1897 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Look for Ellen's birth on the GRO site, where MMN is recorded
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