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Mary Elizabeth Vickers/Smith/ Swailes is the moother of Ada Jane Swailes

Who was Ada's mother?

Mary? or Elizabeth?

SWAILES, ADA JANE VICKERS
GRO Reference: 1895 J Quarter in WAKEFIELD Volume 09C Page 32

Is this the 'new info'?

Posted on your original request

I have now got the Birth Cert. for Ada Jane Swailes born 19/05/1895 at 65 St Johns Terrace Normanton Wakefield
Thomas Swailes died 13/09/1895 at 65 St Johns Terrace Normanton Wakefield aged 28 years of Typhoid Fever.
Mary Swailes was present at the death and is down as widow but they were not married.
So Elizabeth would have been left with a 4 month old baby an a son of 2 years and 3 months.
we know the son went to her ex husband so where did the baby and Elizabeth go ???

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new info.

Richard William Smith mms Litchfield seems to have always been called William.

I suppose that's why a later son could be called Richard:

BILLS, RICHARD mms LITCHFIELD
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION Volume 09C Page 228

I had wondered about that Emma with the Bills family several tiimes, but had decided (wrongly) that she was Emma's daughter..



Emma Litchfield
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Emma Litchfield
Registration Year: 1864
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 389
Records on Page:
Name
Emma Litchfield
Richard Smith



SMITH, RICHARD WILLIAM mms LITCHFIELD
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION Volume 09C Page 147


Moira, does that match Richard's age at the time of his marriage to Mary Elizabeth?

Marriage of thomas and emma
Name: Emma Smith
Registration Year: 1876
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Rotherham
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 880
Records on Page:
Name
Thomas Bills
Emma Smith

1871 Emma
Name: Emma Smith
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: 1846
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Jump Wombwell Yorkshire England
Civil Parish: Hoyland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Barnsley
Sub-registration district: Darfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 241
Piece: 4650
Folio: 79
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Smith 28
Emma Smith 25
William Smith 6
Thomas Smith

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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

George Street, Nether Hoyland, Barnsley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Thomas Bills Head Married Male 44 1847 Pit Labourer Worcestershire, England
Emma Bills Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Yorkshire, England
>>>>>>William Smith Son Married Male 26 1865 Collier Yorkshire, England
Mary E Dewhurst Daughter Married Female 19 1872 - Yorkshire, England
Fred Smith Son Single Male 18 1873 Coal Miner Yorkshire, England
Richard Bills Son Single Male 13 1878 Scholar Yorkshire, England
Arthur Bills Son Single Male 11 1880 Scholar Yorkshire, England
Luther Bills Son Single Male 9 1882 Scholar Yorkshire, England
Violetta Bills Daughter Single Female 4 1887 Scholar Yorkshire, England
>>>>>>Emma J Smith Daughter Single Female 5 1886 Scholar Yorkshire, England
George Dewhurst Son In Law Married Male 24 1867 - Yorkshire, England

Possibly also Emma Jane Smith's birth cert 1885.
Can't find her in 1891.
Even if she was under another surname , still can't find her.

I want to thank everyone for the help I am getting, I wish I could find the mother Mary Elizabeth Vickers, Smith. Swailes
I have sent for the Birth Cert of Ada Jane Swailes to see if we get any more light on this woman, and another address

Oh right, thankyou AG, not at that Address 1891 then (George and Maria Male, they are at same 1901).

So Birthdate of Ada Jane and 1895 Address for her not known then...(perhaps that Birth Cert. also needed!)

Chris :)

Moira said:

"The only address for the family in Normanton Wakefield is 11 Brunswick street Normanton.
. . . . . . . . . other than the address that I have for them on Albert's birth cert I have nothing else to go on."

Can you tell us what Address you do have?, and the Birthdates of Albert and Ada...

Chris :)

Emma Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Emma Smith
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hoyland, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: West Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 52
Neighbors:
Piece: 4235
Folio: 62
Page Number: 23
Household schedule number: 138
Household Members:
Name Age
Booth Wilkenson 33
Florence A Wilkenson 31
Leslie B Wilkenson 4
Maggie Wilkenson 2
Emma J Lanes 25
Emma Smith 16

bapt
Emma Jane
Last name Smith
Birth year -
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 06 Oct 1886
Baptism place Hoyland
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Mary Elizabeth
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Archive Sheffield Archives & Local Studies
Archive reference PR-59-2-4
Page 100

Emma Jane
Last name Smith
Age 21
Birth year 1886
Residence Hoyland
Marriage year 1907
Marriage date 11 Feb 1907
Marriage place Hoyland
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name Reed
Spouse's age 23
Spouse's residence Hoyland
Father's first name(s) Richard William
Father's last name Smith
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Reed
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England

EMMA J
Last name REED
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1886
Age 34
Death quarter 2
Death year 1920
District Barnsley
County Yorkshire
Volume 9C

1911
4 Naylor Yard West St Hoyland Nether Barnsley, Hoyland Nether, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England
James Reed Head Married Male 27 1884 Coal Miner Hewer Yorks Hoyland
Emma Reed Wife Married Female 25 1886 - Yorks Hoyland
Herbert Reed Brother Single Male 22 1889 Miner Trammer Belowground Yorks Hoyland
Minnie Reed Daughter - Female 4 1907 - Yorks Hoyland
Harry Reed Son - Male 2 1909 - Yorks Hoyland

REED, MINNIE IRENE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in BARNSLEY Volume 09C Page 286

I have sent for the death cert. for Thomas Swailes this might be our Thomas but not sure, hope the address matches the one I have.

This could well be another child, she seems to have children and dispose of them, one way or another.

Another child ??

SMITH, EMMA JANE mms VICKERS
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in BARNSLEY UNION Volume 09C Page 243

She seems to have disappeared too.

EDIT:

But see posts at 11:43 and 12:20

Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has taken the time over this.
Albert was taken in by his step sister, his father was also taken in by her, as on the 1911 census Albert has called himself Albert Smith.As for why I have no idea.
The only address for the family in Normanton Wakefield is 11 Brunswick street Normanton.
It is possible that Thomas died after Ada Jane was born, I would send for the cert. to see if it is him but other than the address that I have for them on Albert's birth cert I have nothing else to go on.
This still leaves the question as to where Mary Elizabeth Vickers, Smith or Swailes is.I have looked on the 1901 census for Mary and Ada Jane bur can find nothing. By this time Ada Jane would be 6 years old so it is possible that Mary had given her to someone else to take care of, she has done it twice in the past.