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Henry Finch 1782 birth?

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Marcus

Marcus Report 2 Oct 2018 20:35

Looking for Henry Finch b about 1782. (Died 1849 Stepney).

On 1841 Census he says he was a Carpenter.

Married a Martha Mary Hickman (Both of the parish & both single!) on 28th August, 1814 at Christchurch, Greyfriars, London.

If they were both 'Of this parish' does this mean that they were born / baptised there (ie the family were in the area) or just living in the parish for the purpose of marriage?

I am trying to find his parents & possible siblings.
Henry & Martha had 6 children -

Harriet b1815 Bapt St Margaret, Westminster,
Henry b 1818 also bapt at St Margaret, Westminster,
Sarah b 1822 Bapt St. Matthew, Bethnal Green,
Elizabeth b1827, Susannah b1829 & Anne b 1831. Last 3 all bapt at St George in the East.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks.....

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Oct 2018 20:42

'Of the parish' means resident there for the required period of time prior to the marriage

In 1841, does it say 'born in county'?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Oct 2018 21:24

1841 says not born in county.

Birth c1786.

Henry Finch
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Henry Finch
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Stepney
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Ratcliff
Neighbors:
Piece: 714
Book: 2
Folio: 16
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Finch 55
Martha Finch 40
Sarah Finch 12 ["Susan'h" on image ]
Anna Finch 9
Wm Poole 24 - servant
Jno Hughs 22 - carpenter
Emma Hughs 20

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Oct 2018 21:44

This is the death mentioned by Marcus:

FINCH, HENRY 67
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 390

So Henry may have been born 1782 if death informant was correct, or 1786 if we believe the census (which we probably don't), or any year round about then.

And not born in Middlesex - which leaves a lot of options!

malyon

malyon Report 2 Oct 2018 23:16

Henry Finch
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Henry Finch
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 28 Apr 1782
Christening Date (Original): 28 APR 1782
Christening Place: SAINT MARY THE VIRGIN,DOVER,KENT,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1782
Father's Name: John Finch
Mother's Name: Susanna

malyon

malyon Report 2 Oct 2018 23:21

this henry has a daughter susanna also his mothers name was susanna as posted above

Henry Finch
England and Wales Census, 1841

Name: Henry Finch
Titles and Terms: NULL
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Residence Note: Commercial Road
Gender: Male
Age: 55-59
Age: 55
Occupation: Null
Birth Year (Estimated): 1782-1786
Registration District: Stepney
Parish: Stepney
County: Middlesex
Page Number: 24
Registration Number: HO107
Piece/Folio: 714/16
Affiliate Record Type: Institution
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Finch Male 55-59
Martha Finch Female 40-44
Susanh Finch Female 12 Middlesex
Anna Finch Female 9 Middlesex
Wm Poole Male 24-28 Middlesex
Jno Hughs Male 22-26 Middlesex
Enma Hughs Female 20-24 Middlesex

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 3 Oct 2018 02:52

Who were the witnesses when Henry married Martha Mary?.

I see that when Martha Mary Finch married as a widow, her father is named as Moses Hickman, a carpenter.
I wonder if Henry was perhaps his apprentice or at least worked along side Moses

Is this the correct Mary Martha?
Could this be Henry's home area too?

Name: Martha Mary Hickman
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 17 Sep 1792
Baptism Place: Sandon, Essex, England
Father: Moses Hickman
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 1472680.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Oct 2018 16:04

The witnesses to the marriage were J Knight and Anne Reeve - but their names pop up as witnesses to various other marriages in that church on other dates, so I don't think they're relatives of Henry or Martha.


Henry Finch
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Henry Finch
Gender: Male
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 28 Aug 1814
Marriage Banns Place: Christ Church, City of London, England
Spouse: Mary Hickman
Register Type: Parish Register

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Oct 2018 16:18

Martha remarried.
Here she is in 1851:



Martha M Lambuth
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Martha M Lambuth
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jas Hy Lambuth
Gender: Female
Where born: Writtle, Essex, England <<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Stepney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Stepney
Sub-registration district: Ratcliff
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 344
Piece: 1551
Folio: 37
Page Number: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
Jas Hy Lambuth 63
Martha M Lambuth 58
Susan Finch 21
Maria Finch 19


Sandon and Writtle are both very close to Chelmsford.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Oct 2018 16:25

James Henry Lambirth
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: James Henry Lambirth
Registration Year: 1850
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: St George in the East
Inferred County: London
Volume: 2
Page: 88
Records on Page:
Name

Martha Mary Finch
James Henry Lambirth

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Oct 2018 16:28

1861 says Martha was born in Sandon - so that birth's correct, Gwyn.


Matha Lamberth
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Matha Lamberth
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: 1793
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James H Lamberth
Gender: Female
Where born: Sandon, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Stepney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 203
Piece: 296
Folio: 136
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
James H Lamberth 71
Matha Lamberth 68

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Oct 2018 16:30

Maybe Henry ???



Harry Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers
Name Harry Finch
Event Type Christening
Event Date 07 Apr 1793
Event Place Sandon, Essex, England
Gender Male
Father's Name John Finch
Mother's Name Anne


EDIT:

No, this one's ten years younger.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Oct 2018 16:36

????
Margaretting is also very close to Chelmsford -

Henry Finch
in the Essex, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1518-1960
Name: Henry Finch
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 27 Dec 1787
Baptism Place: Margaretting, Essex, England
Father: Wm Finch
FHL Film Number: 000857079

Marcus

Marcus Report 3 Oct 2018 17:17

Thanks everyone for replies so far!

I personally think that Henry was born in Essex rather than Middlesex but have never been sure, but the Chelmsford / Sandon is a strong possibility. Just a hunch on my part, nothing else.

ArgyllGran, your last post about Margaretting seems possible, even though 5 years out.

Malyon, date wise it fits, but Dover? Possible as people did move around a lot for work etc.....

Yes, Martha remarried to James Lamberth / Lambuth.


Thanks again!


malyon

malyon Report 3 Oct 2018 22:03

i still think it could be dover mother named susanna henry had a daughter susannah

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Oct 2018 22:37

This looks like Malyon's Dover Henry in 1851 - so not your Henry, Marcus..

By coincidence, he's a carpenter

Henry Finch
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Henry Finch
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1782
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Finch
Gender: Male
Where born: Dover, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Walmer
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Sandwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 111
Piece: 1631
Folio: 570
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Finch 69
Sarah Finch 67
Susan Williams 15 - servant

And probably the same couple in 1841, though ages are a few years out;

Henry Finch
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Henry Finch
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Walmer
Hundred: Cornilo
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Deal
Neighbors:
Piece: 470
Book: 17
Folio: 15
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Finch 55 - builder
Sarah Finch 55
Susanna Finch 20


Henry Finch
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Henry Finch
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 5 Dec 1803
Marriage Place: Walmer, Kent, England
Spouse: Sarah Culling
FHL Film Number: 1866577
Reference ID: item 1

Kense

Kense Report 4 Oct 2018 15:02

In the 1841 census ages should have been rounded down to the nearest multiple of five for those over 15. That explains the age discrepancy in the previous post.

Marcus

Marcus Report 4 Oct 2018 18:48

Thanks ArgyllGran. So, it appears that Henry from Dover isn't the one at this present time.

Malyon, thanks for finding that entry for me.

So, this leaves us at the moment with Henry from Margaretting, Essex.

Does this Henry, son of William Finch, have any siblings ? And what is his mother's name?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2018 20:45

Charles Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
4 June 1798
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch


William Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
29 December 1785
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch


Mary Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
23 August 1812
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch
mother:
Mary Finch <<<<<<<<<<<<<


Augustin Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
14 August 1792
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch


Elizabeth Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
4 September 1796
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch


Letitia Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
25 October 1789
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch


John Matthew Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
3 April 1791
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch


John Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
7 February 1811
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William
mother:
Mary


Mary Finch
England, Essex Parish Registers, 1538-1997
christening:
23 April 1782
, Margaretting, Essex, England
father:
William Finch

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 4 Oct 2018 20:59

But John 1811 and Mary 1812 could be the children of William 1785, and therefore nephew and niece of Henry.

Possibly William 1785's marriage:

William Finch
in the Essex, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1518-1960
Name: William Finch
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 1 Dec 1807
Marriage Place: Margaretting, Essex, England
Spouse: Mary Spink
FHL Film Number: 000857079