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Blimey. Thank you everyone for your input,

Abby, I don't know how you do it but you have helped me so many times


Gerry

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about the right age

Deaths Sep 1897 (>99%)
Gray Johanna 55 Lewisham 1d 742

It says on marriage record for above that she was aged 20 so not her I'm afraid.

Maryb.

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wonder if johanna got married

Marriages Jun 1901 (>99%)
GRIFFIN Elizabeth Fulham 1a 495
LINDSELL Arthur Fulham 1a 495
RUST Albert George Fulham 1a 495
Stone Johanna Fulham 1a 495 xxxxxxxxx

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Beach, Lowestoft, Mutford & Lothingland, Suffolk, England

Joana Stone's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Ann Stone Female 24 1817 -
Henry Stone Male 0 1841 Suffolk, England
Joana Stone Female 3 1838 Suffolk, England

Record Transcription:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Beach, Lowestoft, Mutford, Suffolk, England

Johanna Stone's Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Stone Head Married Male 40 1811 Fishmt Gunton, Suffolk, England
Elizabeth Stone Wife Married Female 41 1810 Sempstress Norfolk, England
William T Stone Son - Male 14 1837 Printers Ap Norfolk, England
Johanna Stone Niece - Female 12 1839 Sempstress Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
William Pearson Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1830 Carpenter Blickling, Norfolk, England

Record Transcription:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Nelson Road, Great Yarmouth, Yarmouth, Norfolk, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Katherine M Waters Head - Female 58 1813 - Norfolk, England
Elizabeth T Waters Daughter - Female 33 1838 - Norfolk, England
Margaret S Waters Daughter - Female 31 1840 - Norfolk, England
Julia H Waters Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Suffolk, England
Joanna Stone Servant - Female 31 1840 - Suffolk, England
Eliza Shrimpling Servant - Female 23 1848 - Norfolk, England

Charles Shepperd Gray born 1851 in Gillingham to William Gray 1825 and Ann nee Sheperd 1824 married 1845 in Gillingahm

1871 Gillingham
William
Ann
Charles S Gray 19 a Tailor Journeyman

1872 J/F/M V2a P319
Charles Shepperd Gray married Elizabeth Jane Weare in Kingston Surrey

I can't see a marriage for a Charles to a Joanna Stone!, so was he still married to a first wife.

Death Charles Shepperd Gray died O/N/D 1895 Maidstone Kent V2a P409.

Strange his wife Elizabeth Jane with his parents 1881,they had a daughter Lilly Beatrice 1872 no sign of Charles S Gray 1881

So do we have Charles married to Elizabeth Jane and with Joanna in 1881/91 or are they two different Charles Gray,just curious as in 1891 he is down as James S

Maryb.

Births for Alfred B and Kate Lilian show mother's maiden name Stone:


GRAY, ALFRED BERTIE STONE
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 143

GRAY, KATE LILIAN STONE
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 292

he's call charles now

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

31, Vorley Road, Islington, London & Middlesex, England




Location: London & Middlesex, England


Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Gray Head Married Male 29 1852 Journeyman Taylor Gillingham, Dorset, England
Joanna Gray Wife Married Female 36 1845 - Lowestoft, Suffolk, England
Alfred B Gray Son Single Male 4 1877 - Camden Town, Middlesex, England
Kate Lilian Gray Daughter Single Female 1 1880 - Dalston, Middlesex, England

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Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Denmark Villas, Hangley Bridge Road, Lewisham, London & Kent, England


Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James J Gray Head Married Male 39 1852 Tailor Dorset, England
Joanna Gray Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Suffolk, England
A B Gray Son - Male 14 1877 - Kentish Town, Middlesex, England
A M Gray Daughter - Female 9 1882 - Kentish Town, Middlesex, England

Also on that 1881 marriage Charles Richard Gray is clerk.

Shirley, I think Gerry has the marriage certificate- her father is listed as Charles Gray, tailor.

Gerry- what was the address for Alice and names of witnesses?
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Re the 1881 marriage for Charles Richard Gray- he married Frances Eleanor Marsden, not Amy Stone.

Islington reg district though doesn’t cover Highgate
That would be more Camden reg

Islington covers amongst other Highbury not Highgate

The marriage cert to Charles would be the place to start for her fathers name

Parents?

Marriages Jun 1881
Gray Charles Richard Islington 1b 498
STONE Amy Catherine Islington 1b 498

Rose

The Fulham birth can't be correct as she is listed being born in Highgate.

This must be her birth:

GRAY, ALICE MAUD STONE
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 227

Rose

Do you have the marriage certificate - if so, who were the witnesses ? what addresses were given for Alice and Charles

Sorry, bed calls

Hi Everyone.

I don't know who her mother was, and like LancashireAnn I cannot find a Gray a Marrell/Murrell marriage.

For our information

1911 Census For England & Wales
49 Porthcawe Road Lower Sydenham, Lewisham, London & Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Bowyer Head Single Male 29 1882 General Labourer Croydon Surrey
Alice Bowyer Wife Married Female 29 1882 - London Highgate
Walter Charles Bowyer Son - Male 8 1903 School Kent Sydenham
Rose Emily Bowyer Daughter - Female 6 1905 School Kent Sydenham
Frederick George Bowyer Son - Male 3 1908 - Kent Sydenham
Alfred Henry Bowyer Son - Male 1 1910 - Kent Sydenham

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
BOWYER, ALFRED HENRY GRAY Order
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in LEWISHAM Volume 01D Page 1128 Order

Married 8 years. 5 children born, 1 has died

Marriages Sep 1902

Bowyer Charles Lewisham 1d 2205 Scan available - click to view
Gray Alice Maud J Lewisham 1d 2205