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ArgyllGran
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1 Oct 2018 21:43 |
The 1954 Electoral Roll entry can be found by searching for either Olive J Bowler or Ronald E Bowler, but if you look at the image you'll see that both of them are at that address.
I thought from what you said earlier that you knew where they were, so I didn't post the entries for other years.
Here they are:
1953:
Ronald E Bowler [with Olive J ] in the Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1986 Name: Ronald E Bowler Residence Year: 1953 Address: Beechwood Road 315 Residence Place: Bedfordshire, England Parliamentary Division: South Bedfordshire
Ronald E Bowler [ with Olive J and Mary A E ] in the Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1986 Name: Ronald E Bowler Residence Year: 1952 Address: Beechwood Road 315 Residence Place: Bedfordshire, England Parliamentary Division: South Bedfordshire
Ronald E Bowler [ with Olive J ] in the Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1986 Name: Ronald E Bowler Residence Year: 1951 Address: Thirlstone Road 38 Residence Place: Bedfordshire, England Parliamentary Division: South Bedfordshire
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1 Oct 2018 21:45 |
Ronald E Bowler in the Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1986 Name: Ronald E Bowler Residence Year: 1949 Address: Beechwood Road 315 Residence Place: Bedfordshire, England Parliamentary Division: South Bedfordshire
[with Olive, Mary A E, and Frederick J ]
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ArgyllGran
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1 Oct 2018 21:50 |
Olive Bowler in the Bedfordshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1986 Name: Olive Bowler Residence Year: 1950 Address: Thirlstone Road 38 Residence Place: Bedfordshire, England Parliamentary Division: South Bedfordshire
[ with Ronald ]
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ArgyllGran
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1 Oct 2018 21:51 |
You said they married "1947/48".
Marriages Sep 1948 (>99%) Bowler Ronald E Stiff Luton 4a 491 Stiff Olive J Bowler Luton 4a 491
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Olive Jean
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1 Oct 2018 23:10 |
Hi Thankyou so much for all your effort
I can now put the Electroles together I know they lived at 38 Thiristone Road But didn’t know they went back to,315 Beechwood Road later 1952 /1953
Thankyou Olive
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Olive Jean
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5 Oct 2018 16:19 |
Hi Just to say I have managed to find the Electroles for my Family Today at the Library Thankyou for all your effort it has been really kind of you all Bye for now Olive
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Olive Jean
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7 Feb 2019 22:20 |
Hi Just to say I am not sure where to ask this question
Henry Marsh born 1911 Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire
Mary Jane B Brown 1914 Sutton in Ashfield Nottinghamshire
Married 1937 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
I have managed to find Henry Marsh Father and Mother with your help
But Mary Jane B Brown ?.? It states on BMD .org her Mother is Pike So I wonder if her Father and Mother was Ethel Pike And Sam Brown
What do you all think Thankyou Olive
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7 Feb 2019 22:36 |
Use freebmd and https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp to check for any other births in the same area with surname Brown mmn Pike -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: BROWN, MARY JANE BLACKWELL PIKE Order GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 265 Order BROWN, SAM BLACKWELL PIKE Order GRO Reference: 1904 S Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 133 Order
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: BROWN, EVELYN BLACKWELL PIKE Order GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 250 Order
BROWN, VENICE BLACKWELL PIKE Order GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 147
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order: BROWN, MABEL ENGLAND PIKE Order GRO Reference: 1917 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 193
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7 Feb 2019 22:37 |
As there were probable births pre 1911 you can then check on that census for the family. This would appear to be them -
1911 Census For England & Wales 6 Willowbridge Road Sutton in Ashfield, Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Sam Brown Head Married Male 35 1876 General Labourer Huthwaite Notts Edith Brown Wife Married Female 30 1881 - Sutton in Ashfield Sam Blackwell Brown Son - Male 6 1905 - Sutton in Ashfield Vemice Blackwell Brown Daughter - Female 2 1909 - Sutton in Ashfield
Married 6 years - 2 children born and still living
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7 Feb 2019 22:39 |
Then look for a marriage between a Sam Brown and Edith Pike -
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%) Brown Sam Mansfield 7b 185 <<<<<<<<<<<<< Hibberd John Mansfield 7b 185 Pike Edith Mansfield 7b 185 <<<<<<<<<<<< Slanet Matilda Mansfield 7b 185
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ArgyllGran
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7 Feb 2019 22:46 |
Edith's birth:
PIKE, EDITH mms BRANDRETH GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 81
Parents' marriage:
Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%) BRANDRETH Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 88 Pike Charles Mansfield 7b 88
Edith Pike in the 1891 England Census Name: Edith Pike Gender: Female Age: 10 Relationship: Daughter Birth Year: 1881 Father: Charles Pike Mother: Elizabeth Pike Birth Place: Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sutton in Ashfield Residence Place: Sutton in Ashfield, Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England ED,Institution or Vessel: 7 Neighbors: Piece: 2652 Folio: 128 Household Members: Name Age Charles Pike 52 Elizabeth Pike 48 Samuel Pike 25 Benjamin Pike 24 William Pike 23 Charlotte Pike 21 Ann Pike 18 Elizabeth Pike 16 Edith Pike 10
Edith Pike in the 1901 England Census Name: Edith Pike Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Sutton in Ashfield, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Sutton in Ashfield Ecclesiastical parish: Hucknall under Huthwaite and Sutton in Ashfield St Mary Magdalene Town: Sutton in Ashfield County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: BARMAID Registration district: Mansfield Sub-registration district: Sutton in Ashfield ED, institution, or vessel: 02 Neighbors: Piece: 3137 Folio: 36 Page Number: 6 Household schedule number: 43
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Olive Jean
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7 Feb 2019 22:48 |
Thankyou so much Do you think they would be on 1939 Register
I did notice the Marriage for Sam Brown and Edith Pike 1904
And try to find them on 1911 Census
Thankyou Olive
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7 Feb 2019 22:49 |
1939 Register - ignore the "Bram" - a bad transcription of Brown !!
Brown (Bram) Household (2 People) 3 Willowlndyr Lane , Sutton-in-Ashfield U.D., Nottinghamshire, England FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Sam B Brown (Bram) 07 Aug 1904 Male Coal Hewer Married 190 1 Gertrude E Bram 12 Nov 1900 Female House Wife Married 190 2
same address but separate listing - Venice becomes King at some point, no dates on forms
3 Willowlndyr Lane , Sutton-in-Ashfield U.D., Nottinghamshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Venice B King (Brown) 26 Apr 1908 Female Hosiery Mender Single 191 1 Mabel E Bram 07 Sep 1917 Female Hosiery Seemer Single 191 2
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7 Feb 2019 22:53 |
Looks like Evelyn died young
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Jun 1914 (>99%) Brown Evelyn B 2 Mansfield 7b 111
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ArgyllGran
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7 Feb 2019 22:53 |
So is that a second marriage for Sam ??
Marriages Sep 1938 (>99%) Brown Sam B Town Mansfield 7b 256 Town Gertrude E Brown Mansfield 7b 256
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7 Feb 2019 22:57 |
Whoever completed the form appears to have Mary Jane's Year of birth wrong
Marsh Household (5 People) 13 West End , Sutton-in-Ashfield U.D., Nottinghamshire, England
FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER Mary Jane Marsh 13 Jul 1915 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 234 2 Henry Marsh 11 Apr 1911 Male Coal Hewer (Heavy Worker) Below Married 234 1 Jean Keane (Marsh) 01 Dec 1937 Female Under School Age Single 234 3 Douglas Marsh 08 Mar 1939 Male Under School Age Single 234 4 Doreen Smith (Marsh) 31 Dec 1937 Female Under School Age Single 254 5 Ref: RG101/6241C/025/16 Letter Code: RNQL
Jean's change of name noted on register 15.5.1963 - not necessarily the date of marriage, but rather the date the change was notified.
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7 Feb 2019 23:03 |
AG - is that marriage for Sam Bakewell Brown - Gertrude is about his age - rather than for Sam Senior (or am i missing something?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Dec 1900 (>99%) Town Gertrude Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 121
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7 Feb 2019 23:07 |
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Mar 1935 (>99%) Brown Sam 59 Mansfield 7b 118
Deaths Dec 1936 (>99%) Brown Edith 55 Mansfield 7b 103
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Olive Jean
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7 Feb 2019 23:11 |
Hi Thankyou again So if Sam Brown married again 1938 Maybe Ethel Brown nee Pike had died
I just carnt believe what you all have found
You state that Jean Marsh Keane has changed her name on Register 15.5.1963 Would it be an Electrole Thankyou all again Olive
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Olive Jean
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7 Feb 2019 23:18 |
Just read the 1939 Register Thankyou Also the deaths for Sam Brown 1935 Edith Brown 1936 Mansfield Nottinghamshire
So the picture is fitting together Bye for now and Thankyou Olive
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