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Foiled again. Colne,s electoral registers from the twenties and thirties were destroyed by fire and there are no copies anywhere. Should have remembered that as worked there 27 years. :-S
Checked the trade directories but no joy. But i am not giving up.
Thanks
Shirley :-)

Yes, good idea, Shirley.

Just thought of something. Maybe i can check electoral registers,for Colne in 1930,s . See who is,living there , might give me name of annes husband . :-S

Yes very frustrating. Think maybe have to read the full article then might find a clue. Or maybe get Mary Quinn's death certificate and see if it throws up something. Irs such a shame that the 1939 didn't have place of birth. I still have a gut feeling about the Easington Mary with maiden name Sweeney. Maybe James was called James Edward ..long shot or slim chance but i can dream ??

As you've already discovered for yourself, Shirley, there were no marriages of an Ann(e) Anderson to a Kennedy, 1905-1933.

Nor of an Ann Quinn to a Kennedy - though that would make her an aunt-in-law.

So if she really was an aunt, she must have been on Mary's mother's side of the family - but we don't know the mother's name, so can't identify a marriage.

There were no Kennedys at 19 Lister Street in 1939 - so that's no help.

Woukd it be possible to find out who Ann Kennedy was married to ? Just thinking that f Ann was aunt of Mary Quinn nee Anderson she could either be previously a Quinn or an Anderson.she is 21 years older than Mary so seems,to be of her parents generation, so maybe sister of her mum or dad ? This may help with discovering who the parents are of Mary Quinn nee Anderson ? :-S

Thank you . Guess he is a,possibility . William Quinn's dad was Thomas and William was born in 1904. Just trying from all angles really. :-S :-)

Just posting that in full:


William Quinn
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: William Quinn
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1904
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 7 Chaucer Place
Residence Place: Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Occupation: Pedlar Smallware
Schedule Number: 146
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: KBMK
Registration district: 498/3
Household Members:
Name
William Quinn - married
Margaret Hogan - 27/09/1914, single, Textile drawer worsted.


And two closed records as Maryb said.

William Quinn 5/10/1904 married a Pedlar of Smallware

also a Margaret Hogan 1914 single looks like 2 closed records below them
7,Chaucer Place Bradford.

So not too far from Brighouse and a pedlar!!

Maryb.

Is it possible for anyone to find a William Quinn born 1904 or 1905 living in the brighouse , Halifax area in 1939 ? :-)

Yes very frustrating that. Rumour was that Annie , Mary Quinn nee anderson,s daughter was born or lived in a caravan. William on the marriage cert. Was a scissor grinder and Mary a hawker . Had so wanted dad to be James . Maybe will get some blues from Mary's death certificate perhaps? I was thinking that if she was used to the gypsy way of life she may have left to go back to that when she left William Sweeney with the children and disappeared. . Don't think they knew what happened to her at all. Maybe William Sweeney did and did not say anything to the children . Sad story. :-S

Shirley ............


just so you know, the 1939 Register gives no inkling as to where anyone was born.

It was a register of full names, ages, current address, and occupation

It was used as the basis for issuing ID cards for use in WW2, and then later as the basis for the NHS records


So the one piece of information that many of us would like for certain people was never even entered or asked.

Possible - but only a long shot, as I said.

No middle name for Mary in any of the other records.
Maria (or Alphonso) doesn't say she's widowed.- but that proves nothing. She may not have been married at all, but just said so for respectability.

IF she was married, there are several marriages of Edward Andersons to women called Mary - none in Harrogate area - but as they were travellers, they could have married anywhere.

I can't see an obvious birth of Mary in Ripon.

I haven't been able to find William Anderson with any certainty in earlier censuses, to see if he had a brother Edward.
Nor even his birth in Ripon or area.

So thinking maybe Maria, her mother even though birth of Mary is a bit earlier. She defibately born January 1911 . As from 1939 census. And when got her marriage certificate it definitely said Edward Anderson deceased. So maybe Edward was dad but had died by 1911 even :-)

Just in case - Anderson, Foley, hawkers/pedlars.

I know she doesn't have a middle initial in any other record, so just a long shot.
I haven't attempted to investigated her mother's marriage re father's name:


Mary Ellen Anderson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Ellen Anderson
Age in 1911: 3/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Ripon
Civil Parish: Harrogate
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street address: 6 Grobe Place [Grove]
Registration district: Knaresborough
Registration District Number: 489
Sub-registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 25927
Household Members:
Name Age
Ells Charles Ward 24 - pedlar
Charles Ratcliffe 58 - pedlar
William Anderson 26 - married, pedlar , traveller, Ripon <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Martha Anderson 21 - married, hawker , traveller, Ripon <<<<<<<<<<<<
Peter Foley 26 - single, pedlar, traveller, Grimsby <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Thos Battison 36 - painter
Harriet Battison 37 - needle worker
Thomas Battison 15/12
Marin [Maria ] Anderson 20 - married, pedlar, traveller, Knaresboro <<<<<
Mary Ellen Anderson 3/12 - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
William Hudson 40 - traveller
J William Thorn 50 - French polisher
Jane Thorn 47 - French polisher
Edward Kilvington 70 - out porter

None of them is head of household in this 4-roomed house.
The document is signed by Alphonso Crolla

I've,discovered that Mary Anderson's dad was supposedly Edward Anderson on her marriage certificate to William Quinn in 1928. Edward Anderson was deceased and the marriage took place in Brighouse,at the registry office. Mary Anderson was a,hawker. Aged,18. William Quinn was 24. :-)

Jasnex's-street, where disturbances occurred the previous Saturday night, was mentioned the Chief Constable, when William Sweeney (33), labourer, Red Lion-street, and Francis Foley (30), 66, Daneabouse-rosd, labourer, were charged with having been
28 July 1937 - Burnley Express - Burnley, Lancashire, England.

a Foley family and Sweeney were known to each other so it seems.thats probaly how Ann Kennedy came to be John Foleys housekeeper.?


Francis Foley also lived in Lister Street.

gallery was crowded. The defendants were John McKenzie (51), 9, Lister Street; Christopher Kelly (36), 11, faster Street; Francis Foley (27), 3, Lister Street; and Michael William Heap (41), 20, King Street. McKenzie and Foley pleaded guilty. Mr. Whittle
15 June 1934 - Nelson Leader - Nelson, Lancashire, England

Had heard they were travellers. Think Margaret June never knew,her mum really . She left and obviously went back to Halifax, maybe returning to her husband ? William Sweeney brought her up. Don't think she had any contact after that. Don't think she knew where she had gone. Would love to know the Anne Kennedy connection. I am thinking more along the lines of it being the Mary Anderson with mothers,maiden name Sweeney because that may explain why she first came to live with the widiwed William Sweeney. She could be a,cousin cone to take care of the children ? Or are the children from the census , hers as,well as,William sweeneys ? :-S

These are all Mary Anderson 1911 ages under 1 year.although many more with other christian names.

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Marlow, Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Seaham, Easington, Durham, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Gateshead, Durham, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Harlow, Epping, Essex, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Willesden, Middlesex, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Tottenham, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Elswick, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Hirst, Morpeth, Northumberland, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Cowpen, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Byker, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales East Denton, Castle Ward, Northumberland, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Charlwood, Reigate, Surrey, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Weston under Wetherley, Warwick, Warwickshire, England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Whitwood, Pontefract, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales West Tadcaster, Tadcaster, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Anderson Mary 1911 — 1911 1911 Census For England & Wales Great Ayton, Stokesley, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England.

Was any aunts or uncles mentioned by Margaret June.?

Anderson.Quinn and Sweeny all have Irish surname links.


Ann Kennedy was at the time housekeper to John Foley and his son John. again Foley is also has Irish links.

????


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First name(s) MARY
Last name SWEENEY
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1910
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARY SWEENEY married one of these people
John Fothergill Wood, James Anderson
District Chester Le Street
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Country England
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Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
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