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Thank you for all of that information. It's all been very helpful

The burials of the 6 children

View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1991

Name: George William Hollis
Age: 1
Birth Year: 1879
Burial Date: 14 Mar 1880
Burial Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Abode - Newton

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Name: Robert Hollis
Age: 2
Birth Year: abt 1882
Burial Date: 12 May 1884
Burial Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Abode - Blackwell
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Joseph Hollis
Age: 5/12
Birth Year: abt 1894
Burial Date: 9 Jan 1895
Burial Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Abode - Newton

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Name: Lucy Ellen Hollis
Age: 22/12
Birth Year: abt 1898
Burial Date: 22 Nov 1899
Burial Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Abode - Newton

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Name: Owen Hollis
Age: 3/12
Birth Year: abt 1899
Burial Date: 13 Apr 1899
Burial Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Abode - Newton

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Name: Lydia Hollis
Age: 4/12 - .............(original says 11 months, baptised Feb. 1901)
Birth Year: abt 1901
Burial Date: 6 Jan 1902
Burial Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Abode - Newton

Yes I think you are right Emily will be the invalid and most probably Dorothy the daughter is the helper in the home because she has no occupation.

Thank you

Spiers Household (2 People)
12 North Street , Warsop U.D., Nottinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Ada M Spiers 07 Jul 1892 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 12 2
Fred Spiers 11 Apr 1881 Male Colliery Hewer (Below) Married 12 1

Hall Household (5 People)
96 Market Street , Blackwell R.D., Derbyshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Emily Hall 02 Jul 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 230 2
Bertie Hall 12 May 1878 Male Colliery Underground Timber And Ripper Heavy Work Invalide Married 230 1
Frank E Hall 20 Nov 1915 Male Colliery Pony Driver Underground Heavy Worker Single 230 3
Dorothy Hughes (Hall) 12 Nov 1918 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 230 4
Alec Hall 05 Mar 1920 Male Colliery Underground Haulage Hand Heavy Work Single 230 5

Looks on original as though it's Emily who's the invalid - would Bertie be one with that occupation !!

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Hollis Household (2 People)
190 Station Road , Blackwell R.D., Derbyshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Charles H Hollis 22 Jun 1888 Male Gas Stoker Single 75 1
Elizabeth Clark 20 Jul 1894 Female Domestic Service Married 75

Thank you for all of that information

I do appreciate it.

Marriages

Emily and John- already posted Page 1

James -

Charles Henry - possibly not, see 1939 register posts

Francis Edwin -

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Name: Ada Mary Ann Hollis
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Birth Date: abt 1893
Marriage Date: 23 Apr 1913
Marriage Place: Shirebrook, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis
Spouse: Fred Spiers

Fred 32 a Miner, of Shirebrook. Father John Edward Spiers (can't read occupation)
Ada of Shirebrook, Father a Miner
Married by Banns
both signed
Witnesses - Thomas Wainman and Sarah Elizabeth Shackleton

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Name: Rachel Hollis
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1895
Marriage Date: 21 Sep 1914
Marriage Place: Shirebrook, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis
Spouse: Arthur Riley
witnesses - Joseph Devey and Phyllis Myers

Arthur 23 a Collier Bachelor of Shirebrook. Father John Riley ? occupation
Rachel Spinster of Shirebrook Father William Hollis a Miner

Looking back on this post, I noticed that in the 1881 census I posted ( 16 Jun 2018 22:01) for William Hollis and Emily MS Meredith, there is this young boy.

John G Carbury Grand Son Single Male 3 1878 Blackwell, Derbyshire, England -
Transcription


This is his birth

CARBERY, JOHN GEORGE HOLLIS Order
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 64

and sadly, he dies 3rd qtr 1881. But these look to be his parents James and Emma Carberry who are witnesses to the marriage of William Hollis and Mary Ann Green which means William and Emma were siblings.


Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
BLOWER William Henry Mansfield 7b 93
>>CARBERRY James Mansfield 7b 93
>>Hollis Emma Mansfield 7b 93
Robinson Elizabeth Mansfield 7b 93


His parents in 1881 with new baby, Charles Edmund, who was born beginning of 1881 so maybe John G was sent to his grandparents for a wee while.



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
41, St Thomas Row, Tibshelf (Derby), Mansfield, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
James Carbury Head Married Male 30 1851 Chapeltown, Yorkshire, England Coal Miner
Transcription
Emma Carbury Wife Married Female 22 1859 Besthorpe, Nottinghamshire, England Coal Miners Wife
Transcription
Charles E Carbury Son Single Male 0 1881 Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England Coal Miners Son

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates (apologies cut the url off too early before)

Register or Login - Register initially and then you can just login each time you use.

you can only look for births and deaths using this site but you will get mmn from Q3 1837 to1917 when this site ends at present and age at death Q3 1837 - 1957
Only problem is the site gives age at death in years BUT it can't distinguish weeks/months so if you know a child died at 2 months old it would show as 2 years!

You can order birth and death certificates through the site at a reduced cost of £6 if you're happy with a pdf version to download yourself.

For bmd's Q3 1837 to c 1970's use
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/search

gives mmn fro Q3 1911 and age at death from c1866

View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: George William Hollis
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 7 Jun 1878
Baptism Place: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis
Mother: Mary Ann Hollis
Wm a Miner
Abode - Tibshelf

Note in margin which I think belongs to his entry - Received July 14 1878 (Private Baptism)

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Emily Hollis
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1880
Baptism Place: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis
Mother: Mary Ann Hollis
Abode - Tibshelf. Wm a Miner

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Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Robert Hollis
Baptism Date: 7 Apr 1882
Baptism Place: Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis - a Miner
Mother: Mary Ann Hollis
Abode - Tibshelf

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: John Hollis
Baptism Date: 10 Aug 1884
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
s/o Wm and Mary Ann of Blackwell. Wm a Collier

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not seeing James or Charles Henry

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Francis Edwin Hollis
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1890
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
s/o Wm and Mary Ann. Wm a Miner
Living at Newton
Born Sept 5th

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Name: Ada Mary Ann Hollis
Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1892
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
d/o Wm and Mary Ann. Wm a Miner
Living at Newton
Born July 7th

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Joseph Hollis
Baptism Date: 16 Sep 1894
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
s/o Wm and Mary Ann
Wm a Miner Abode Newton
Born August 19th

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Rachel Hollis
Birth Date: 6 Sep
Baptism Date: 18 Oct 1896
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis a Miner
Mother: Mary Ann Hollis
Of Newton
Born Sept 6th

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Lucy Ellen Hollis
Age: 0
Birth Date: 5 Jan 1898
Baptism Date: 6 Feb 1898
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis a Miner
Mother: Mary Ann Hollis
Of Newton

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Owen Hollis
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1899
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis a collier
Mother: Mary Ann Hollis
Abode - Newton

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View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Lydie Hollis
Birth Date: 8 Jan
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1901
Baptism Place: Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Father: William Hollis a Miner
Mother: Mary Ann Hollis
Abode Newton

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So presumably Pitkin is the first marriage and Knights the second

Can I ask how you use the GRO site.

I went onto the main page then on the right hand side to "Know your Ancestor better" and then followed the link to the FreeBMD site. I'm sorry this is new to me and I'm not that brilliant with technology

Thank you

Possible marriage of Owen:

Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
Hollis Owen J Thomas Chesterfield 7b 2805
Thomas Miriam I Hollis Chesterfield 7b 2805

Both of John's marriages posted earlier

Looks as though Ethel died not long after having their child

This looks to be Ellen's death
Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
Hollis Ethel E 33 Mansfield 7b 115

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Hollis Owen J Pitkin Mansfield 7b 183

Owen J died Nottingham 1990

Assuming he married in Derbyshire, there are a number of John Hollis marriages 1902-22.

If he married in Mansfield, this looks like a possibility:

Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
Hollis John Pitkin Mansfield 7b 188
Pitkin Ehtel E Hollis Mansfield 7b 188


Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
Hollis Ethel E 33 Mansfield 7b 115


One child born:

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Hollis Owen J (mms Pitkin) Mansfield 7b 183

Sorry I've not been back on today,

Wow that's a brilliant amount of information. I only had some of the children's names but no partners information. other than Rachel Hollis (my grandmother) marrying Arthur Riley. My mum only talked about her mum having one sister Emily so there's not much to go on there.
I would appreciate any information on the children.

I notice that John Hollis was a widower is there anything on his first marriage,

I will look on the GRO site too. Thank you

Do you have the baptisms and marriages of the children?? Images on Ancestry
and their 1939 register entries?

Emily Hollis, 25, Spinster of Blackwell parish married Bertie Hall 28 a Miner Widower of the parish of Tibshelf at Blackwell 2/6/1906

Banns called May 13/20/27

Fathers - Geoffrey John Henry Hall and William Hollis, both Miners

Witnesses - John Hollis and Rose Carbery

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John Hollis aged 28 Bachelor, Miner married Ethel Ellen Pitkin aged 30 Spinster
10/5/1913 at Shirebrook Parish Church, both of the parish

Fathers - William Hollis a Miner and John Pitkin a Railway Engine Driver
Witnesses - William Alexander Pitkin and Ida Mary Read

and
John Hollis 38 Widower Miner married Mary Knight/s 48 widow 9/9/1922 at Shirebrook Parish Church
Fathers- William Hollis deceased Miner and Thomas Jary Deceased Miller
Witnesses - Arthur and Rachel Riley

There are more, but won't put up any further until I know whether or not you have them

Using the GRO site posted for births and deaths to find the other 4 children born - all Mansfield RD
there are 8 names listed over the census' posted,
Emily 1880, John 1884, James 1886, Charles Hy 1888, Frank (Francis Edwin) 1890, Ada Mary Ann 1892, Rachel 1896, Lydia 1901

so 4 to find

Joseph 1894 died 1895 aged 0
Lucy Ellen b 1898 died 1899 aged 1
Owen b 1899 died 1899 aged 0

EDIT - there is also this one - located because he was baptised in 1882.
His birth was registered mmn Green

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
HOLLIS, ROBERT GREEN Order
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 57 Order

Name: Age at Death (in years): Order:
HOLLIS, ROBERT 2 Order
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 36

and birth registered Liddie 1901 death as Lydia 1902 aged 0 (straddles a census )

That would make the 12 births and 5 deaths

MMN given as Green for George Wm - see below and Robert (she'd been born and married as Green) but for the rest she used Ball which is the name she had always been known as.

My theory is there was another birth (actually the first) as the first child showing on census is Emily b 1880, so a bit of a gap from the marriage in 3/1877 -

there is this birth
George William Hollis mmn Green 1878 died 1880 as George William Ball
EDIT - Yes they baptised a Geo. Wm in Tibshelf 7/6/1878

(James and Emma Carberry, witnesses at the wedding, also had a child baptised a month later)

So actually 13 births and 6 deaths ?

View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1916

Name: Mary Ann Green
Baptism Date: 16 May 1858
Baptism Place: South Normanton, Derbyshire, England
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Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
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Mother: Rachel Green

Original -
Parents names - Rachel Green - no Father named
under Trade or Profession column has Single Woman (one of the nicer terms to be found given the circumstances!)

So Mary Ann born as Green, so that was who she married as.

Given the short time between marriage and her birth Owen may well have been the Father but you can't tell for sure if he's not named on the BC. If he was her Father though I would have thought she would have named him on the MC unless she felt it may have opened up a can of worms?? But then she used Ball as her maiden name for the children's births !

Owen Ball
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
View Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
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Name: Owen Ball
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1836
Marriage Date: 27 Sep 1858
Marriage Place: South Normanton, Derbyshire, England


From original - 27 September 1858, Parish Church South Normanton
By Banns
Owen Ball 22 Bachelor a Collier. Father John Ball a Collier
Rachel Green Spinster A servant. Father John Green a F.W.K. - Frame Work Knitter
Both of South Normanton
Both Signed
witnesses - Joseph Renshaw and Elizabeth Green