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I have answered Pamela

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Welcome to the boards, Pamela.

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Hi Mavis
just been reading your message thread, Oliver Febrey & Lillian Bellingham are my Grandparents. Robert Bellingham is my Father, you have mentioned his birth certificate at the beginning of your message.
Pam

Thank you again MGNV you have been researching so hard


The family of Oliver Ernest Febrey do have his army records so there is a lot already
been done --- all makes interesting reading


Mavis

Oliver's WW1 service record is available here:
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B3022-S053
[p 51 of 76 - died 9/7/1969 @ Westminster Hospital, London, Ont
p 20 of 76 - Oliver names father as Job]


Each unit - like the 11th field coy Cdn Engineers - kept a war diary when in a theatre of war describing what the unit was doing on a day by day basis. Like all British divisions, the Canadian divisions of the CEF started out with 3 field coys of Engineers - each abt 350 men. Unlike the Brits, the Canadians expanded these 3 coys to 3 battalions abt triple the size, and put these 3 bns under a brigade - the 4th bde for the 4th div.
The earlier war diaries are filed under their later titles.

So starting at my LAC bookmark:
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/genealogy/Pages/introduction.aspx
we can drill down to
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/search/arch_adv
Change Any Keyword to Finding Aid and enter 9-52, then in the 2nd keyword box enter 11th Battalion, Canadian Engineers or else 4th Brigade, Canadian Engineers (or else Chief Engineer). Finally, show 50 hits per page.

Maybe the last is a personal foible, but continually clicking to turn over pages bugs me - so I also click on the button at top of FS searches that gives me 75 hits rather than the default 20- similarly, I have Ancestry show me 50 hits.

Back to the war diaries - locate the set you want, then click on view all images, then at the bottom of the display click view more, and repeat with view more till they all show. Now click on the first thumbnail image to get the real image - right-click on this to Save As - take the defaullt name, but put the 1st image in a new folder that you name 11th Bn Cdn Engineers or whatever (this is so as not to clutter up your downloads file). NB remember to back out of this folder when you start a fresh batch of downloads. You can now click thru the images, downloading as you go you shouldn't have much bother doing 200 images per hour if you don't pause to read them.
Two quirks - the paging wraps around the displayed thumbnails, not the full set; and, left clicking off the image (and off the paging arrows) puts me bach at the thumbnail display

As you can see from the first and last image labels mbedded in the URLs below, the first set has 130 labels, but only 109 images.
Most of these extra labels are unused - a few have lower quality duplicates.

War diaries - 11th Battalion, Canadian Engineers = 1916/08/01-1917/04/30. File. [109 images]
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e050/e001247411.jpg
thru
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e050/e001247540.jpg

War diaries - 4th Brigade, Canadian Engineers = 1916/08/02-1919/04/30. File. [551 images]
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e050/e001226619.jpg
thru Feb/1917
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e050/e001226669.jpg

War diaries - Chief Engineer - Canadian Corps = 1916/05/01-1917/04/30. File. [302 images]
Aug http://data2.archives.ca/e/e048/e001197989.jpg
thru
http://data2.archives.ca/e/e048/e001198276.jpg

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http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/
Annuaires Lovell - Montréal et sa banlieue (=Montréal and its suburbs)

This is a useful city directory.

[FS gives image links for these passengers]

1913 olly https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HGM-NRG
Name Oliver Febrey
Event Type Immigration
Event Date May 1913
Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Gender Male
Age 32
Birth Year (Estimated) 1881
Birthplace England
Ship Name Tunisian
[bound for Toronto]

1914 family https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HGV-YJ4
Name Harriett Febrey
Event Type Immigration
Event Date Aug 1914
Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Gender Female
Age 40
Birth Year (Estimated) 1874
Birthplace England
Ship Name Royal Edward
[with Sydney, Edith, Ernest, Margaret (a=2 1/2) - joining hubby (a carpenter, 6m in Canada)]

1919 CEF https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2HGC-C55
Name O E Febrey
Event Type Immigration
Event Date Jul 1919
Event Place Quebec City, Quebec, Canada
Gender Female
Ship Name Cassandra
[middle block on right]





1921 http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=pdf&id=e002943128
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=pdf&id=e002943129
Province: Ontario
District Name: Middlesex East
Sub-District Name: Westminster (Township)
Sub-District Description: Polling Division no. 6 – Comprising that part of the Township bounded on the east by the line between lots 36 and 37 on the Broken Front and Sideroad between lots 36 and 37 on the 1st concession; on the north by the River Thames on the west by the West Town line; on the south by the 2nd concession Road in the rear of the 1st concession from the Western town line to the Sideroad between lots 36 and 37 and the Base line from the Sideroad between lots 36 and 37 to the line between lots 32 and 33 and polling division no. 12 - Comprising that part of the Township bounded on the east by the West Cove; on the north by the River Thames; on the west by the sideroad between lots 36 and 37; on the south by the lots north of the centre of the 1st concession. Byron Village

http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/searchmapframes.php
Here's the Westminster Twp concession map - note the compass rose in top right
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/Images/Maps/TownshipMaps/mid-m-westminster.jpg

Province or Territory: Ontario
District: Middlesex East
District Number: 102
Sub-District: Westminster (Township)
Sub-District Number: 22
City, Town or Village: Westminster Township
Street or Township: Westminster Tp
Municipality: Westminster
Occupation: Gardener
Income: 1250
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Oliver Petry 45 Head Gardener
Harriett Petry 49 Wife
Sidney Petry 17 Son Electrician
Mary Petry 15 Daughter Housekeeper
Alex Petry 14 Son
All were said to be born in England eith both parents English born. Olly said immig 1912, rest 1914


1922 m https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9S-VR87
[with image link - licence is on preceeding image]

1926 m https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKMR-8CWT
[with image link - see also two preceeding images]

1919 d https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JKWS-8J5 [with image link]

1928 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JKWY-QMG [with image link to image 74 of 1608 - wrong one - page back to image 72]
Name: Mccormick
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 30 Oct 1928
Event Place: Middlesex, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Thomas Garfield Mccormick
Mother's Name: Edith Mary Febrey
[It was a premature birth - rego marked SB which is still birth, I presume.
Addy was 835 Dundas St, London]
[NB I'll notify FS of their slip-up with image link]




1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-KS6W
Event Place Backwell, Somerset, England
Registration District Bedminster
Registration Number RG11 Piece/Folio 2460/21 Page Number 4
Joseph Febrey Head M 36 Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, England Gardener (Dom Serv)
Mary Febrey Wife F 34 Sodbury, Somerset, England
Harry G Febrey Son M 12 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Gen Serv
Ella Mary Febrey Daughter F 11 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Mark Febrey Son M 9 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England Scholar
Frank Febrey Son M 6 Alveston, Somerset, England Scholar
Charles T Febrey Son M 4 Backwell, Somerset, England Scholar
Edith A Febrey Daughter F 1 Backwell, Somerset, England
? N K Febrey Son M 0 Backwell, Somerset, England
[So Oliver made the census, even tho he's not yet named]



http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/
Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
FEBERY Job HAWKINS Mary Cheltenham Cheltenham St Mary 1866 11 323

Marriages Sep 1866 (>99%)
Febery Job Cheltenham 6a 687
HAWKINS Mary Cheltenham 6a 687

FEBREY, OLIVER ERNEST HAWKINS Order
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in BEDMINSTER Volume 05C Page 718

NB Mark in 1881 was a twin
FEBREY, LUKE HAWKINS Order
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 407
FEBREY, LUKE 0 Order
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in CHELTENHAM Volume 06A Page 289

FEBREY, MARY 54 Order
GRO Reference: 1902 M Quarter in LONG ASHTON Volume 05C Page 468

FEBREY, JOB 84 Order
GRO Reference: 1928 J Quarter in LONG ASHTON Volume 05C Page 662

thank you mgnv quite a few in the Piche family

have now made contact with a member of the Febrey family on Ancestry
so from nearly nothing to quite a large family now

many thanks to all who helped this along

Mavis

1921 http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=pdf&id=e003112753
[Elizabeth with the Hadrill's - I note Mrs H immig 1920 too]

1921 http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=pdf&id=e003106066
[I read sister Emilie's age as 26, not 56]

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Quebec / Deux Montagnes / 6 St. Canut / page 5
4 33 Piché Mary F Head M Jul 1871 41
5 33 Piché James M Son S Dec 1888 22
6 33 Piché Eleanor F Daughter S Oct 1890 20
7 33 Piché Randolph M Son S Sep 1892 18
8 33 Piché Emily F Daughter S Aug 1894 16
9 33 Piché Edward M Son S Jan 1896 14
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002051221.pdf


1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: QU MONTRÉAL (City/Cité)/178 (#178)
Subdistrict: Sainte-Marie (Ward/Quartier) A-23 Page 8
Details: Schedule 1
18 73 Piche Prospère M Head M Aug 29 1856 44
19 73 Piche Mary F Wife M Jul 4 1870 30
20 73 Piche James M Son S Dec 18 1888 12
21 73 Piche Nellie F Daughter S Oct 25 1890 10
22 73 Piche Randolph M Son S Sep 11 1892 8
23 73 Piche Emily F Daughter S Aug 22 1894 6
24 73 Piche Edouard M Son S Jan 13 1897 4
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z004/pdf/z000159333.pdf
Schedule 2: P 8 L 18 - addy=106 Shaw
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1901/z/z004/pdf/z000159325.pdf
[Shaw St no longer exists - my guess they lived on one of the SE corners of Rue Ste Catherine abt 100 m NE of Pont Jacques Cartier.
(Pont Jacques Cartier is essentially the approach road to bridge)
Midway between house and Pont Jacques Cartier, Ave de Lorimier runs parallel abt 50m to NE - note Shirley's posted marr church name]


1891 District Name: Deux-Montagnes
Sub-District Name: St. Colomban
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1891&op=pdf&id=30953_148195-00078

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*** EDIT

Veuve/veuf = widow/widower

Re 1911 col 7 - note Mary is m=mari, not v-veuve like Aphonce McKenzie on line 15

My that is great we now know what happened to Lilian -- my niece
by marriage is the daughter of Robert A Febrey -- Robert never knew what happened to his Mother let alone who his father was.

All you have done a good job of sorting a lot out for me thank you so much

Mavis

Not a fruit farmer, but definitely a sapper with Canadian Engineers, and was back in England at least in 1917.

EDIT - In England until 1919.


Oliver Ernest Febrey
in the Canada, WWI CEF Personnel Files, 1914-1918
Name: Oliver Ernest Febrey
Regimental Number: 3341


Born Bristol, England.
Wife: Harriet Febrey
Address: Spruce St, Potterspury, London, Ontario (another document says Sponge St.}
DOB: 18 March 1879.
Occupation: Carpenter <<<<<<<<<<
Fought in France with CEV.

In 1917 he was a sapper with 4th Divisional Engineers, 11th Field Co, Canadian Engineers., when he was admitted to a series of hospitals with broken left fibula, first in Boulogne, then in Norfolk War Hospital in Thorpe, Norwich; then in "Can Conv" [Canadian Convalescent Hospital ??] in Hillingdon House, Uxbridge.
Rejoined his unit 03/07/1917.

Earlier in 1917 he had slipped on a bathmat and sprained his left ankle.

"SOS as deserter 15/01/1916"
He was AWOL.
Children: Sidney Oliver, Ernest Alex, Edith May, Margaret Alice

EDIT:
When he rejoined his unit in 1917, that was at Crowborough, Sussex.
Then he was stationed in Bexhill from 20/01/1918.
Transferred to a dispersal station 24/06/1919 prior to sailing back to Canada.


He was 5ft 8ins tall, dark complexion, blue eyes, dark brown hair.

He died July 9th 1969 at Westminster Hospital, London, Ontario.

Lillian May Sornberger
in the California, Federal Naturalization Records, 1843-1999
View California, Federal Naturalization Records, 1843-1999

Name: Lillian May Sornberger
Petition Age: 66
Record Type: Petition
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1924
Birth Place: Canada
Petition Date: 12 Feb 1991
Petition Place: Los Angeles, California, USA
Petition Number: 00875392

Name: Lillian May Sornberger
Maiden Name: Piche
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1924
Death Date: 29 Jul 2004
Cemetery: Fairhaven Memorial Park
Burial or Cremation Place: Santa Ana, Orange County, California, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

A daughter
Lillian May Sornberger
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 No Image
Text-only collection
Name: Lillian May Sornberger
[Lillian M Sornberger]
[Lillian May Piche]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1924
Birth Place: Point Fortun, Canada
Death Date: 29 Jul 2004
Father: Edward I Piche
Mother: Lillian J Bellingham
SSN: 561377762
Type of Claim: Evidence other than birth record submitted; U.S. citizen or alien allowed to work.
Notes: 19 Sep 1975: Name listed as LILLIAN MAY SORNBERGER; 24 Aug 2004: Name listed as LILLIAN M SORNBERGER

1921 Canadian census

Edouard Picke
[Edouard Piche]
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Célibataire (Single)
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1897
Birth Place: Quebec
Relation to Head of House: Chef (Head)
Father Birth Place: Quebec
Mother Birth Place: Quebec
Racial or Tribal Origin: Francaise (French)
Province or Territory: Quebec
District: Montreal (Ste Marie)
District Number: 203
Sub-District: Ste Marie Ward, Montreal (City)
Sub-District Number: 73
City, Town or Village: Montreal
Street or Township: 94 Shepperd
Municipality: Quartier Ste Marie
Occupation: Destrebateur
Income: 1300
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edouard Picke 24
Emilie Picke 56 mother
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Source Citation
Reference Number: RG 31; Folder Number: 143; Census Place: Ste Marie Ward, Montreal (City), Montreal (Ste Marie), Quebec; Page Number: 25
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1921 Census of Canada [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2013.

Name: Lilian Piche
Maiden Name: Bellingham
Birth Date: 1897
Death Date: 1978
Cemetery: Philipsburg Protestant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Philipsburg, Monteregie Region, Quebec, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Edward Issac Piche
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/



Name: Edward Issac Piche
Birth Date: 1897
Death Date: 1972
Cemetery: Philipsburg Protestant Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Philipsburg, Monteregie Region, Quebec, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Lilian Piche
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

View England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: William J Bellingham
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1919
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Spouse: Daisy Ellard
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1718

Name: William James Bellingham
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Horsemonden, Kent
Civil Parish: Pembury
Search Photos: Search for 'Pembury' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 1 Brookside Cottages, Muxlewell, Pembury, Kent
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Engine Driver
Registration district: Tonbridge
Registration District Number: 50
Sub-registration district: Brenchley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 191
Piece: 4100
Household Members:
Name Age
William James Bellingham 39
Elizabeth Bellingham 33. Sister
Thomas Bellingham 16
Lilian Jane Bellingham 14
Sidney George Bellingham 12
Dalton Henry Bellingham 11
Albert Edward Bellingham 10
Fredrick James Bellingham 9
Ivy May Bellingham 6
Jack Ritchie Bellingham 5
Frank Ronold Bellingham 2

Elizabeth Bellingham
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Birth Place: Pembury Kent
Age: 24
Date of Arrival: Aug 1920
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Metagama

View Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
Add Alternative Information
Report issue
Name: Lilian Bellingham
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Birth Place: Pembury Kent
Age: 23
Date of Arrival: 18 Aug 1920
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Ship Name: Metagama

So she was single

Name: Lillian J Bellingham
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007 No Image
Text-only collection
Add Alternative Information
Report issue
Name: Lillian J Bellingham
Gender: Female
Spouse: Edward I Piche
Child: Lillian May Sornberger