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I'm having problems finding Joseph Miller's family in the 1911 census. Maybe they're just not there. Could someone please have a look for me?

Joseph Miller born 8.2.1859 married Mary Ann Whitaker in 1883 in Derby.

Children all born in Derby

Elias Miller 1889
Mary Miller 1891
Charlotte Miller 1896
Ellen Miller 1898
Florence Miller 1901

1901 Census Stanton Street Derby (All Born in Derby)
Joseph Miller Head 45 Railway Labourer
Mary A Miller Wife 33
Elias Miller 12
Mary a Miller 10
Charlotte Miller 5
Ellen Miller 3
Florence Miller 0

Thanks in advance
Richard

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census

3 Friary St Derby, Derby, Derbyshire, England


Susan Ann Andrews Servant Widow Female 43 1868 Langlay Derbyshire Foster Mother Childrens Homes

>>>>>Ellen Miller Inmate - Female 14 1897 Derby Derbyshire -

Elizabeth Kelling - - Female 12 1899 Derby Derbyshire -

Elizabeth Faulkner - - Female 12 1899 Derby Derbyshire -

>>>>>Florence Miller - - Female 10 1901 Derby Derbyshire -

Charlotte Priest - - Female 10 1901 Derby Derbyshire -

Lillie Whitaker - - Female 9 1902 Derby Derbyshire -

Albert Hackett - - Male 10 1901 Derby Derbyshire -

Charles Collins - - Male 10 1901 Derby Derbyshire -

James Barracliff - - Male 9 1902 Derby Derbyshire -

Frank Record - - Male 9 1902 Derby Derbyshire -

Thanks Choccy

I wonder where the rest of the family were?

mary ann
1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
102 Clarence Road Derby, Derby, Derbyshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Edwin Pemberton Head Married Male 35 1876 Derbyshire Derby Baker
Transcription
Mary Pemberton Wife Married Female 38 1873 Derbyshire Derby -
Transcription
William Pemberton Son - Male 15 1896 Derbyshire Derby Baker
Transcription
Edwin Pemberton Son - Male 9 1902 Derbyshire Derby School
Transcription
Jack Whittanker Boarder Single Male 21 1890 Melton Manby Baker
Transcription
Mary Miller Servant Single Female 21 1890 Derbyshire Derby Domestic Servent -----------

elias
Name: Elias William Miller
Baptism Date: 19 Aug 1888
Baptism Place: Derby, St Thomas, Derbyshire, England
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Father: Joseph Miller
Mother: Mary Ann Miller

Name: Elias W Miller
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1933
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Spouse: Elizabeth A Hallam
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 999

Name: Elias W Miller
Death Age: 61
Birth Date: abt 1888
Registration Date: Dec 1949
Registration district: Nottingham
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 3c
Page: 285

Long shot (very) for Elias - I don't see the birth of any Elias Smith in Derbyshire 1885-1893.
There's one in Mansfield in 1894, and one in Chesterfield in 1895 - but none in Derby.


Elias William Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elias William Smith
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire, England
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County/Island: Military
Country: England
Military Unit: 2 Leicestershire Regt
Registration District Number: 641
ED, institution, or vessel: India
Piece: 34987

to go with above post
father Joseph
mother dead
address pear tree street derby

Elias Wm
Last name Smith
Birth year 1888
Birth parish Pear Tree
Birth town Derby
Birth county Derbyshire
Birth country England
Service number 1593
Regiment Derbyshire Regiment
Year 1906
Attestation date 11 Sep 1906
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months 1
Attestation service number 1593
Attestation corps 3rd Bn The Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derby Regt)
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 96
Box 810
Box record number 370
Record set British Army Service Records


Silver War Badge Roll Transcription

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First name(s) Elias William
Last name Smith
Service number 8191
Rank Sergeant
Badge number B189642
Enlistment date 30-Jul-1907
Discharge date 23-Jan-1919
Regiment/unit Leicestershire
Cause of discharge Army Order 29 1919 2 Wounds 392 (xvi)
Whether served overseas Yes
Badge date of issue 20-May-1919
Age on discharge 30
Additional Info D.C.M. M.M.
Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from England, Great Britain

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Ellis William
Last name Smith
Year 1914-20
Service number 7273, 138047
Second service number 138047
Rank Private,Private
Second rank Private
Regiment Royal Berkshire Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
Second corps Royal Army Medical Corps
Service record Soldier Number: 7273, Rank: Private, Corps: Royal Berkshire Regiment
Second service record Soldier Number: 138047, Rank: Private, Corps: Royal Army Medical Corps
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D5218811
Country Great Britain
Medal type British Army Medal Index Cards, 1914-1920
Archive reference WO372/18
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards

Elias William
Last name Smith
Marriage year 1934
Parish Littleover St.Peter
Place Littleover
Spouse's first name Ivy Kathleen
Spouse's last name Hughes
Reference C38/03/018
Register Office South Derbyshire (Derby)
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index

I don't want to start chasing Elias Smith if he's not Elias Miller .

However - the 1934 marriage posted by Maddie is of an Elias who was born in 1904, so not the same person as in 1911 census:

Smith Household Derby C.B., Derbyshire, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Elias W Smith 1904
Ivy K Smith [1905] is also on this record

Of the military records, the Silver War Badge Roll Transcription may be the same man as in 1911 census - Leicestershire Regiment.

If this is Florence's marriage, then Joseph was still alive in 1923 - at least it doesn't say he's deceased;

Florence Miller
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Florence Miller
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 23
Birth Date: abt 1900
Marriage Date: 24 Nov 1923
Marriage Place: Derby, Holy Trinity, Derbyshire, England
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Father: Joseph Walter Miller - labourer
Spouse: Francis Job Reeson


So if Florence and Ellen were being fostered in 1911, something must have happened to Mary Ann - but I don't see her death 1901-1911 in Derby.

Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
MILLER Mary Ann 49 W. Derby 8b 295


Deaths Mar 1906 (>99%)
Miller Mary Ann 36 Preston 8e 436

Thank you all. Does anyone know why children were put in foster homes in 1911 if the parents are alive?

Richard

Illness of parents? Homelessness? Imprisonment?
Much the same reasons as nowadays, I suppose.

If Mary Ann died, I would expect it to have been in Derby, and not either of the Lancashire deaths posted by Malyon.

Charlotte would be old enough to be working by 1911, so possibly not living with her parents.
Can't see her, though!

The nearest "maybe" could be this one, but this girl is apparently 3 years older, and not born in Derby - though I don't see her birth:

Lottie Miller
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Lottie Miller
Age in 1911: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Wilford, Derbyshire, England [ Milford on image ]
Civil Parish: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: 62 Sacheverel St Derby
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Lace Worker
Registration district: Derby
Registration District Number: 435
Sub-registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Piece: 20875
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas Parker 47
Sarah Ann Parker 47
John Thomas Foxon 20
Lily Mable Foxon 18
Cararine Alice Foxon 19
Lottie Miller 18
John William Foxon 1

Thanks for your suggestions on possible reasons for fostering. Clearly there was some form of crisis in the family. I have just had a look on Familysearch for Joseph Miller resident in Derby in 1911 and found the following:

Joseph Miller 57 (1854) Inmate Widower Iron Foundry Labourer born Derby.

The DOB is out but everything else looks promising. Unfortunately the search does not reveal the institution where he is an inmate. Could someone please have a look at the 1911 census and give me some info on this? Thanks.

Derby Union Workhouse, Uttoxeter Road, Derby
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Could this be connected ? (the SMITH connection)

Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald 21 February 1903

Neglect of family at Milford

Joseph Miller or Smith, Milford, labourer, was charged at Belper on Thursday that he, having the custody of certain children, did neglect them in a manner likely to cause them unnecessary suffering and injury to their health.

Mr. Rowbotham, Derby, appeared for the RSPCC to prosecute and prisoner pleaded guilty. The man, who was a widower, had left his four children destitute for a month. Had it not been for neighbours, they must have starved.

The prisoner was sentenced to gaol for two months, there having been a conviction in Derby for a like offence. The custody of the eldest boy was given to Mr Billott, Hopping Hill, Milford; the other three being at the workhouse at Belper.

Nice find Choccy

Mary Ann's possible death (using the surname SMITH)



Deaths Sep 1902


Smith Mary Ann 33 Derby 7b 302

Elias's use of the surname Smith is credible. Joseph had a sister Louisa Miller (Derby 1852). She married Charles Smith in Derby in 1870. Louisa died in 1893 and her husband remarried in 1896. In 1911 Charles Smith (61) had an adopted child living with him, Ada Miller Smith (8), at his home in Longford, Derbyshire.

Familysearch shows an Ada Grace Millard (sic) born to Joseph and Mary Ann Millard on the 12 August 1902.

After the death of Mary Ann it seems reasonable to assume that Elias went to his uncle's with his sister and also assumed the surname Smith. Maybe not such 'a long shot'.

Great find of newspaper report, Choccy!




Re Ada:

Ada Miller Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Ada Miller Smith
Age in 1911: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1903
Relation to Head: Adopted Daught (Adopted)
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Milford, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Longford and Alkmonton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street address: Longford Derby
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Ashbourne
Registration District Number: 437
Sub-registration district: Ashbourne
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Piece: 21020
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Smith 61
Ada Smith 54
Ada Miller Smith 8
Sarah Brassington 22
George Brassington 2
Lowie Brassington 1


Her birth ??

SMITH, ADA MILLAR mms LOWE
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in BELPER Volume 07B Page 655


Charles and Ada married for 15 years.

But these look like the parents of that child ??

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
LOWE Clara Florence Belper 7b 1223
Smith Charles Belper 7b 1223

Or maybe this one ?

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Lowe Betsy Alice Belper 7b 816
SMITH George William Belper 7b 816

This is presumably your Charles's remarriage (just posting for our reference):

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
Smith Charles Derby 7b 926
WRIGHT Ada Derby 7b 926



I don't see the GRO record of the birth of Ada Grace Millard (or similar).



Ada Grace Millard
England Births and Christenings
Name Ada Grace Millard
Residence Place Dethwick, Derbyshire, England
Gender Female
Christening Date 03 Dec 1902
Christening Date (Original) 3 Dec 1902
Christening Place St. Wesberghs, Derby, Derbyshire, England
Birth Date 12 Aug 1902
Father's Name Joseph Millard
Mother's Name Mary Ann Millard