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David Souter marriage AMENDED

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Marian

Marian Report 15 Apr 2018 17:30

Thank you both (just got in).

Marian

Marian Report 21 Aug 2018 16:36

Please see amendment

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 16:53

Re your amendment - for our reference -


Annabella Ross
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Annabella Ross
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 1 Mar 1862
Marriage Place: Easington Near Guisborough,York,England
Spouse: Brown Sowther
FHL Film Number: 573988


Brown Souther
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Brown Souther
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Guisborough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 575
Records on Page:
Name
Annabella Ross
Brown Souther


(The first record already posted by Mel, but copied here again for ease.)

alviegal

alviegal Report 21 Aug 2018 18:16

A bit more info on this marriage record.

First name(s) Brown
Last name Souther (labourer)
Age 20
Birth year 1842
Residence Old Boulby
Marriage year 1862
Marriage date 01 Mar 1862
Marriage place Easington in Cleveland
Spouse's first name(s) Annabella
Spouse's last name Ross (servant)
Spouse's age 21
Spouse's residence Doulby (should read Boulby)
Father's first name(s) David
Father's last name Souther (labourer)
Spouse's father's first name(s) John
Spouse's father's last name Ross (shoemaker)
County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Country England
Page 46
Archive Teesside Archives

They both made their marks. Witnesses were Robert Penzack? and Cyrus? Smith.

alviegal

alviegal Report 21 Aug 2018 19:01

No help with the witnesses. This could possibly be Robert, perhaps a friend? Just going by location.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ings House Farm, Old Boulby, Easington, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Robert Pennack Head Widower Male 55 1806 Farmer Of 116 Acres -
Transcription
Mary Andrew Daughter Married Female 23 1838 House Keeper -
Transcription
>>Robert Pennack Son Unmarried Male 21 1840 Farmers Son
William Pennack Son Unmarried Male 16 1845 Farmers Son -
Transcription
Sarah Pennack Sister In Law Widow Female 48 1813 Farmers Widower Glaisdale, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Alonzo Tate Servant Unmarried Male 19 1842 General Farm Servant Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
???Hannah Ross Scholar Unmarried Female 18 1843 House Servant Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
John R Andrew Grandson - Male 0 1861 - Easington, Yorkshire, England



This is Cyrus.


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Village, Easington, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Cyrus Smith Head Married Male 32 1829 Schoolmaster & Reigstrar Of Births And Deaths York, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah B Smith Wife Married Female 28 1833 - Whitby, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Bulmer Mother In Law Widow Female 67 1794 - Whitby, Yorkshire, England

I've edited this to include the rest of the household for the Pennacks. There is a Hannah Ross on this, not sure if she fits in somewhere? She appears to be the illegitimate daughter of a Margaret Ross.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Aug 2018 19:29

Brown's death registration from GRO Index, showing his age ....

SOUTHEY, BROWN 23
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 320

alviegal

alviegal Report 21 Aug 2018 19:43

OOOH wonder if this could be her?

First name(s) Hannah Bella
Last name Sowter
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1870
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


Hannah Bella Sowter married one of these people

Robert Dowey, John Oswell
District Guisborough
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9D
Volume as transcribed 9D
Page number 626



1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Back Street, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Dowey Head - Male 30 1841 - Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah B Dowey Wife - Female 31 1840 - Yorkshire, England
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Christiana Dowey Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Yorkshire, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Street Houses, 2, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Robert Dowey Head Married Male 39 1842 Upton, Yorkshire, England Ironstone Miner
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Hannah J Dowey Wife Married Female 37 1844 >>Skelton, Yorkshire, England -
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Alice E Dowey Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Skinningrove, Yorkshire, England Scholar




1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Street Houses, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Robert Dowey Head Married Male 50 1841 Yorkshire, England Iron Stone Miner
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Hannah I Dowey Wife Married Female 48 1843 Yorkshire, England - (this does look like an I not a B)
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Alice E Atkinson Boarder Single Female 15 1876 Brotton, Yorkshire, England -
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George Winter Boarder - Male 8 1883 Yorkshire, England Scholar
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Michael Dowey Nephew - Male 5 1886 Yorkshire, England Scholar



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
17, Cleveland Street, Loftus, Lofthouse, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Robert Dowey Head Married Male 59 1842 Yorkshire, England -
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Hannah I Dowey Wife Married Female 57 1844 Skelton, Yorkshire, England -
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William Dowey Brother Widower Male 70 1831 Loftus, Yorkshire, England Farm Labourer
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John G Sugget Boarder - Male 15 1886 Yorkshire, England Iron Foundry Labourer

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Aug 2018 19:59

That looks really godd, alviegal!!

I've been looking for all versions of Annabella, but never thought of Hannah!

alviegal

alviegal Report 21 Aug 2018 20:02

England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975

First name(s) Hannah Bella
Last name Ross
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1843
Baptism date 25 Jul 1843
Place Skelton by Guisborough
County Yorkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Ross
Mother's first name(s) Mary


???


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Ross Head Unmarried Female 26 1825 Dressmaker Ugthorpe, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Ross Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Skelton, Yorkshire, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 21 Aug 2018 20:11

Thanks Sylvia, it was a total fluke! But now I have to go out so I'll leave you to figure out why the census names her mother as Margaret and what happened to her father :-D

Can't find the Dowey children in the gro to confirm mother's name.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Aug 2018 20:15

I've been trying to find the registrations for the two Dowey children on those censuses, to check mother's maiden name.

No apparent registration on Freebmd, GRO Index, or Yorkshire bmd ????????


Father ................. hmmm, another imaginary father made up by an illegitimate child?????

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Aug 2018 20:57

For information .......

Margaret Ross says she was born in Ugthorpe ..... this is in the Scarborough/Whitby area of Yorkshire

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 21 Aug 2018 21:07

This Hannah Ross is working in Easington by 1861, putting her in the correct area.

Note the name of her employer and one of his sons .............. ????one ot the witnesses at the marriage??

1861 Census

Name: Hannah Ross
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: 1843
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Easington
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Guisbrough
Sub-registration district: Lofthouse
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
:
Household schedule number: 55
Piece: 3651
Folio: 39
Page Number: 11

Robert Pennack 55 Farmer of 116 acres
Mary Andrew 23 Daughter of farmer
Robert Pennack 21
William Pennack 16
Sarah Pennack 48
Alonza Fate 19
Hannah Ross 18 House Servant
John R Andrew 2/12 Robert Pennack's grandson

Address:- Ings (??) House Farm

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 21:30

I think this is Alice Dowey, mms Ross:

DAWE, ALICE mms ROE
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in GUISBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 509


EDIT:

NO she's not!

She's the daughter of Isaac Dawe and Dorothy Ann Roe, who married 1874;

Alice Dawe
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alice Dawe
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Isaac Dawe
Mother: Dorothy Ann Dawe
Gender: Female
Where born: Moorsholn, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Skelton in Guisbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address: 16 Cockburn St
Registration district: Guisborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 4842
Folio: 36
Page Number: 66
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Dawe 34
Dorothy Ann Dawe 30
Mary Jane Dawe 6
John Dawe 4
Alice Dawe 3
Stephen Dawe 1
Dorothy Dawe
Stephen Dawe 66
Frankland Roe 21

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 21:41

And Christiana - if Robert had been married before ??


DAY, CHRISTIANA mms MASON
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in SCARBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 324


EDIT:

NO, ignore this one.
She's the daughter of Thomas Day and Martha Mason, married Scarborough 1868

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 21 Aug 2018 22:17

(Have discounted Alice Dawe - see edit to post above.)

Marian

Marian Report 21 Aug 2018 22:24

Alvie, thank you so much, this is why I keep my subscription to Genes going. I would never have thought of Hannah Bella. So much more information for me, and thank you also Argyl and Sylvia.

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Aug 2018 13:44

Just to keep this more interesting, here is a John Ross, right area and time scale, who happens to be a shoemaker's apprentice. If you remember, Annabella's father was a shoemaker on her MC. There is a Thomas Lowe, shoemaker in the same household so possibly his master.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Skelton, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
John Ross Male 15 1826 shoemaker's apprentice Yorkshire, England

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Aug 2018 13:53

And a possible marriage?

First name(s) John
Last name Ross
Name note -
Marriage year 1845
Marriage date 26 Nov 1845
Marriage place Guisborough
Spouse's first name(s) Margt.
Spouse's last name Beadnall
County Yorkshire
Country England


and 2 possible deaths before 1851.

Ross John — — 1847 England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England

Ross John — — 1850 England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 Guisborough, Yorkshire, England


From https://www.gro.gov.uk, this one could possibly be him.

ROSS, JOHN 29 Order
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 24 Page 251

alviegal

alviegal Report 22 Aug 2018 14:06

Margaret Beadnall living in the same area as Margaret and Hannah Ross in 1851. Same occupation as well.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Mary Beadnall Female 40 1801 ag lab Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Margaret Beadnall Female 15 1826 dressmakers apprentice Yorkshire, England


and mother, Mary in the next household in 1851.



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mary Beadnall Head Unmarried Female 57 1794 Pauper Charwoman Guisborough, Yorkshire, England


repasted 1851. The marital status could possibly be wrong. On the original image there is a line scored through which makes it difficult to make out if it's a U or an M.


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Westgate, Guisborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Margaret Ross Head Unmarried Female 26 1825 Dressmaker Ugthorpe, Yorkshire, England
Transcription
Hannah Ross Daughter - Female 7 1844 Scholar Skelton, Yorkshire, England