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Glyn

Glyn Report 26 Jan 2018 23:29

What I know is that Patricia Dorothy Olson had parents Frederick Olson and Dorothy Ashford. They were probably married in Southampton in 1930s.However Frederick was from Norway and his parents or grandparents were mixed Norwegian and Sami ( reindeer nomadic people), and came from possibly Norway.
That’s pretty vague I know which is why I haven’t had any success but I know many of you love a challenge and are much better at finding obscure things out than me
Can anyone help please?
Thank you

safc

safc Report 26 Jan 2018 23:45

Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Ashford Dorothy E Olson Southampton 2c 108 xxxxxxxxxxxx
Barker Doris A Tibbles Southampton 2c 108
Olson Charles F Ashford Southampton 2c 108 xxxxxxxxxxxx
Tibbles Richard H Barker Southampton 2c 108

safc

safc Report 26 Jan 2018 23:47


Dorothy E Olson on the 1939 Register

1939 Register Transcription

Olson Household (2 People) 21 Stanley Road , Southampton C.B., Hampshire, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Dorothy E Olson 15 Mar 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 73 2
Charles F Olson 16 Aug 1909 Male General Workrbeer,Wine & Bottlingheavy Worker Widowed 73 1

they are married not widowed

safc

safc Report 26 Jan 2018 23:51

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
21 Kent Road St Denys Southampton, Portswood, Hampshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Sarah Louise Nylan Head Married Female 58 1853 Wilts Landford -
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Ada Eugina Victoria Olson Daughter Married Female 23 1888 Hants Bantley -
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Charles Edwin Egerton Son Single Male 19 1892 Hants Southampton Carman Wine And Spirits
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Mabel Ellen Egerton Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Hants Southampton Tailoress
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Andrews George Olson Grandson Single Male 3 1908 Hants Southampton -
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Frederick Charles Olson Grandson - Male 1 1910 Hants Southampton -


you need the marriage cert to be sure

safc

safc Report 26 Jan 2018 23:54

????

Marriages Dec 1905 (>99%)
EGERTON Ada Eugina V S. Stoneham 2c 144 xxxxxxxxxxxx
HAMILTON Thomas George S. Stoneham 2c 144
OLSON Walter Frederick S. Stoneham 2c 144 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
SMITH Amy S. Stoneham 2c 144

safc

safc Report 27 Jan 2018 00:40

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Ashford Dorothy E Seymour Southampton 2c 21

safc

safc Report 27 Jan 2018 00:42

????
Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Ashford Jack E G Seymour Southampton 2c 55
Griffin Ethel Wheway Southampton 2c 55
Seymour Ethel E M Ashford Southampton 2c 55
Wheway Sydney R Griffin Southampton 2c 55

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Jan 2018 15:13

Thank you. That seems a good start.
I’m more interested in the Olson lead with possible connections to a Norway and the Sami people.
Can anyone help or give me any suggestions on how to investigate this side of the family?
Thank you

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Jan 2018 15:33

You could start by buying a copy of his marriage certificate, this should give you his father's name and occupation, which could help find information, or confirm any information already found.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 Jan 2018 15:38

If the information above is correct (it seems to be but you would need his marriage certificate to confirm) then Charles/ Frederick was from Hampshire- however, his Grandfather was from Sweden: This is the family in 1881.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
3, Dock Street, Southampton St Mary, Southampton, Hampshire, England

Andrew Olson Head Married Male 41 1840 Sweden Norway Laborer (Ships)
Elizabeth Olson Wife Married Female 39 1842 Weymouth, Dorset, England -
Alice May Olson Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
James Andrew Olson Son Single Male 9 1872 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Ann Allen Olson Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Andrew John Olson Son Single Male 5 1876 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Thomas Wm Olson Son Single Male 3 1878 Southampton, Hampshire, England Scholar
Walter Frederick Olson Son Single Male 1 1880 Southampton, Hampshire, England Infant
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Birth:
OLSON, WALTER FREDERICK (mother's maiden name: CARTER)
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 17
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Same family 1871:

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Pound Street, Millbrook, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

Andrew Olson Head - Male 37 1834 - Norway (Sweden crossed through)
Elizabeth Olson Wife - Female 30 1841 Dorset, England
Susan Olson Daughter - Female 8 1863 Hampshire, England
Elizabeth Olson Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Hampshire
Beatrice Olson Daughter - Female 4 1867 Hampshire
Alice Olson Daughter - Female 1 1870 Hampshire
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Marriage of Andrew & Elizabeth:

Name: Andrew Wolson
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Birth Date: 1834
Marriage Date: 1 Jun 1862
Marriage Place: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father: Ulstier Wolson
Spouse: Elizabeth Ann Carter
Spouse father: James Carter
FHL Film Number: 1041730
Reference ID: Pg 78

The above marriage is a transcription- I don't see the original to check Andrew's father's name. I don't see Ulstier as a name (perhaps a verson of Allister/ Ollister?)- you need the original marriage cert to see if this is an accurate transcription.

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Jan 2018 15:38

Name: Charles Frederick Olson
Registration Year: 1909
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Southampton
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 42

.................his birth certificate would also give you his mother's name and maiden name.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 28 Jan 2018 15:54

OLSON, CHARLES FREDERICK EGERTON Order
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 42

Catherine

Catherine Report 28 Jan 2018 15:55

1871 states his birth place as Norway ??

Name Andrew Olson
Age 37
Estimated Birth Year abt 1834
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Olson
Gender Male
Where born Norway
Civil parish Millbrook
Ecclesiastical parish Shirley
Town Shirley
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration district South Stoneham
Sub-registration district Millbrook
ED, institution, or vessel 2
Household schedule number 188
Piece 1199
Folio 45
Page number 30
Household Members
Name Age
Andrew Olson 37
Elizabeth Olson 30
Susan Olson 8
Elizabeth Olson 6
Beatrice Olson 4
Alice Olson 1 Year, 4 Months

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Jan 2018 16:37

As he was a mariner, perhaps he wasn't actually at home in 1871, but Elizabeth just put him on the list anyway ???


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Andrew Olson
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew Olson
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Norway
Registration district: Royal Navy
County: Royal Navy
Address: Tobermory Norton Isle Of Mull Hebrides
Occupation: Sailmaker
ED: Flirt
Household schedule number: 1
LINE: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_191


Re address: Norton will be a mistranscription of some other word.


EDIT:

But maybe not.
There are other mariners named Andrew Olson, around the right age, in 1881.

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 28 Jan 2018 17:03

Hampshire Advertiser 11 June 1887

DEATHS
On the 5th Inst in Dock Street, Southampton, Andrew Olson, aged 47
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Hampshire Advertiser 18 March 1885

School Attendance Cases

...Elizabeth Olson of No. 42 Dock Street was summoned for similar neglect - It appearing that her husband should have been summoned, the bench dismissed the information, though Mrs Olson promised to send the child regularly in future
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Possible for Andrew?

Hampshire Telegraph 12 February 1859

Andrew Olson, John Thompson and Charles Poold, seamen belonging to the merchant barque Psyche, now lying in Portsmouth Harbour undergoing repair, all pleaded guilty to a charge of willfully disobeying the lawful commands of Daniel McDermott, the master, on Wednesday last by refusing to haul in the slack of a warp and also to keep watch. They now expressed their determination not to go to sea in the ship which is bound for Mauritius, stating her not to be seaworthy. They were each sentenced to seven days imprisonment with hard labour
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As there are several Andrew Olson, I think you need his 1862 marriage certificate to be sure of his father's name

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 28 Jan 2018 17:24

http://www.plimsoll.org/images/04%20street%20directory_a_tcm4-180064.pdf

(not sure if you can see image, 1884 at number 42, Olsen, Andrew, ship keeper)


Edits (no, you have to scroll through to Dock Street, but he was there!)

Chris :)

http://www.plimsoll.org/southampton/streetdirectories/

(can be useful Southampton, if you have time to search!)

Glyn

Glyn Report 28 Jan 2018 23:34

Thank you. Lots to check out. There is the Norway link I knew about but not sure when so it was his grandfather who came from Norway

Glyn

Glyn Report 1 Feb 2018 21:19

Can anyone suggest which website I could use to continue my search in Norway? Hopefully with English to make the search easier. Thanks

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 Feb 2018 22:02

The trouble is, no matter which website you use, we don't know his year of birth, not which part of Norway he came from, nor his father's name - and there are a lot of Andrew Olsons!

Ancestry and FamilySearch both have a lot of Norwegian records - many in Norwegian, but fairly easy to figure out what they say.

Advice here, amongst other places:

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Norway_Genealogy

https://www.arkivverket.no/en/find-your-ancestors/tracing-your-ancestry

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/sab/howto.html

https://tinyurl.com/yckgsnvl

https://tinyurl.com/y9v4ch86


Just Google "family tree research Norway" or similar.

Glyn

Glyn Report 1 Feb 2018 22:58

Thank you. Yes Andrew Olson or Norwegian equivalent are quite common. At least I have some ideas where to look now. Thank you