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Anyone got a 1939 subscription? Looking for James Bateman,born 1912,married Elsie Potter in 1940 in Kendal area.Unsure,as yet,of exact DOB,or parents names.Just trying to ascertain POB.There's a James N Bateman born around that time in Kendal-but I don't think that's him as this fella married Read in 1940. James died in 1968,aged 56 in Kendal.Any help much appreciated.

Bateman Household (4 People) 27 Queen Katherine Street , Kendal M.B., Westmorland, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
James M Bateman 18 Apr 1911 Male Rinter Monotype Keyboard Limotype Ap (Sale) Single 167 3
William Bateman 27 Oct 1884 Male Carpenter & Joiner Married 167 1
Alice A Bateman 10 Aug 1884 Female Household Duties Unpaid Married 167 2
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Marriage has no initials for James, but doesn't necessarily mean he didn't have any.

How do you know he was born in 1912? Age would be as known to the informant. He died Q3 1968 "aged 56" so could have been born late 1911 or 1912 - even if correct age.

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) JAMES
Last name BATEMAN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1940
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JAMES BATEMAN married
Elsie Potter
Spouse's last name Potter
District Westmorland North
District number -
County Westmorland
Country England
Volume 10B
Page 2105

The marriage certificate will give Father's name and occupation to try and track and also might confirm his age.

On James marriage no middle initial is given.

Birth year as per death reg 1912

so one of these?

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
Bateman James Hunter Sculcoates 9d 521
Bateman James Whitwell W.Derby 8b 1312 view
Bateman James Cheetham Newcastle T. 10b 164

Bateman Household (4 People)
4 Thorncliffe Place , Tynemouth C.B., Northumberland, England
James Bateman 08 Jul 1912 Male General Shipyard Labourer (Reserve Ambulance Driver) Single 187 3
James Bateman 24 Apr 1882 Male Hotel Barman - 187 1
Mary Bateman 14 Aug 1886 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties - 187 2
William Bateman 28 Sep 1914 Male St Johns Ambulance Man For Swanhunters Shipyardwallsand Single 187 5

Batman Household (5 People)
2 Florence Avenue, North Avenue , Kingston-upon-Hull C.B., Yorkshire (East Riding), England

James Bateman 02 Aug 1912 Male Motor Driver (Corporation Health Department?) Married 156 5
Brian Batman 05 Dec 1938 Male Under School Age Single 156 1
Audrey Goodson (Bateman) 03 Jul 1936 Female Under School Age Single 156 2
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Daisy Bateman 19 Jan 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 156 4

So as said you will need the marriage cert for details of father

THANK YOU,this could possibly be him,but on all paperwork I have there's no M,or no mention of a middle name.

Name
James Bateman
Event Type
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year
1912
Registration District
Congleton
County
Cheshire
Event Place
Congleton, Cheshire, England
Mother's Maiden Name (not available before 1911 Q3)
Parkinson
Volume
8A
Page
523
Line Number
42

Would anyone be good enough & find Elsie Potter-his wife to be,on the 1939 register too.THANK YOU.

There are many Elsie Potters on the 1939 register, but none showing, with or without another initial, in Westmorland.

It could be because either she wasn't born in the area or
she was born after 1916 and she has either died after 1990 or her death after that hasn't been picked up. (The 1939 register was used as the basis for the NHS and was updated to around 1990 but has a 100 year closure without proof of death).

There are a number of Potter families in Westmorland on the 1939 register, but without an age/ Father's name etc............. as per looking for James.

There is the death of an Elsie Bateman 1966 in Westmorland b 1887
Probate record here
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk
and
Elsie Isobel Bateman death 1992 b 1923.
No probate record showing + 2 years

Probably too old - and a bit young - to marry a man born 1912 ish.

She may have moved area or remarried?

You need the marriage certificate.

From the above probate - 'that' Elsie had a daughter who married in 1936 and was born in 1913 so I can't see it being her.

They were from Lancashire.

Also, it looks like James and Elsie had 4 possible children from 1941 to 1952 so she would have been far too old for this.

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England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: James Bateman

Death Age: 56

Birth Date: abt 1912

Registration Date: Sep 1968

Registration district: Westmorland South



England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005

Name: Elsie Bateman

Date of Registration: Jun 1986

Registration district: Kendal

Inferred County: Westmorland

Spouse: Thomas Fishwick

Volume Number: 1

Page Number: 408

Inferred County: Westmorland


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Published in the Westmorland Gazette on 12th December 2009 (Distributed in London)

FISHWICKS The family of the late ELSIE FISHWICK would like to thank family, friends and neighbours for the cards and messages of sympathy following the sad loss of Elsie. Our special thanks to all the staff on Langdale Unit South Wing at Westmorland General Hospital for the care they gave her.



Published in the Westmorland Gazette on 27th March 2010 (Distributed in London)

FISHWICK On 22nd March peacefully at home in Kendal. THOMAS aged 92 years, formerly of Long Sleddle, beloved husband of the late Elsie, dearest uncle, step-father and friend to many. Service will take place at Lancaster Crematorium on Thursday 1st April 2010 at 11.45am. Family flowers only. Donations if desired to North West Air Ambulance c/o Ruxtons Fishwicks Funeral Service, 1 Wildman Street, Kendal, Cumbria. LA9 6EN, Tel: 01539 722299.

Thanks everyone for all your help. Elsie Potter was born on 9/2/1920 in Orton . Registered in Penrith East Ward.James was born 16/7/1912 In Liverpool-West Derby.

Thanks everyone for all your help. Elsie Potter was born on 9/2/1920 in Orton . Registered in Penrith East Ward.James was born 16/7/1912 In Liverpool-West Derby.

So, this is James then:

Batemane Household (7 People) Grayrigg Hall , South Westmorland R.D., Westmorland, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
James Batemane 16 Jul 1912 Cardman Assisting Father
Charles E Batemane 04 Jul 1872 Dairy Farmer
Jane Batemane 01 Nov 1879 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Edwin Batemane 18 Jan 1914 Horseman Assisting Father
Myles Batemane 01 Jun 1921 Carman Assisting Father
Betty Kendal (Batemane) 14 Feb 1923 Dairymaid Assisting Father
Emily E Rumney (Bruce) 15 Jun 1900 Domestic Servant


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This is Elsie's family in 1939:

Potter Household (10 People) Town Head Farm , North Westmorland R.D., Westmorland, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Occupation
Thomas Potter 21 Jan 1912 Farm Worker (Shepherd)
John L Potter 30 May 1883 Farmer
Sarah E Potter 23 Apr 1888 Unpaid Domestic Duties
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George Potter 19 Jun 1921 Farm Worker Horseman
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Alice Lawson (Potter) 30 Jul 1926 At School
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Alan Potter 24 Dec 1932 At School
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Elsie is one of the closed records.

Mother's maiden names for the children shown can be confirmed as Dixon on FreeBMD.


Parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
Dixon Sarah Emma Ulverston 8e 1481 Scan available - click to view
POTTER John Longstaff Ulverston 8e 1481 Scan available - click to view


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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Low Chapel Tebay S O, Orton, Westmorland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
John Longstaff Potter Head Married Male Husband Man 27 1884 Westmorland Orton
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Sarah E Potter Wife Married Female - 22 1889 Westmorland Lanebrigg
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John L Potter Son - Male - 0 1911 Westmorland Kby Lonsdale

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