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Hi, I have been researching my Gt Grandmother on and off for a few years now! She was born in Shoreditch, London in 1858 - 1933. She was one of 7 Children born to Jesse Allen a shoemaker & Mary Ann ( Field) ?

She is quite an elusive lady. I found her on the 1861 Census with 2 of her siblings, her parents spelling of their first name differs but that was normal I think in those days.

I cannot find her on any other census until 1881 living at 14 Laburnum St. Shoreditch, when she states she is a married lady to my Gt Grandad Charles Chapman 1853 - 1903.

I can find no trace of a Marriage Certificate either. So if they didn't marry was this because one of them was already married....... I know it was hard to divorce in those days for the working class.

I know this is a long shot but hopefully someone can see something i've missed over the years.


Thank you for your help.

Can you post the 1861 census you have for her please, for our reference.

Thanks,

Dea x

I will try. I need to check if it's saved to my documents! so might be a little while.

Just for ref
ALLEN, - FIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in SAINT LUKE, MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 581 Order
ALLEN, ELIZABETH ANN FIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 553 Order
ALLEN, EMILY FIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in SAINT LUKE MIDDLESEX Volume 01B Page 589

? looks like Jessie on image?

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
16, Union Street, St Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

John Allen Head Married Male 21 1840 Shoe Maker St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Ann Allen Wife Married Female 22 1839 Shoemaker Wife Elson, Surrey, England
Elizabeth Allen Daughter - Female 3 1858 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Mary Allen Daughter - Female 1 1860 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Emma Allen Daughter - Female 0 1861 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England


marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
Allen Jesse Shoreditch 1c 463
Field Mary Ann Shoreditch 1c 463

Sorry, I'm not able to scan this document at the moment. Thank you.

These children of Jesse & Mary Ann were all baptized same day, 29 Aug. 1870 but no birthdates given:

Emily Alice
Isabella
Isabella (another one?)
Rachel
Richard William

Address for all is 11 Saxony Cottages, father a shoemaker.

ALLEN, RICHARD WILLIAM FIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 119

This one baptized 5 March 1876:

Edith Emma no birthdate.

But father a railway guard and different address.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Saxony Cottages, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

Jessie Allen Head - Male 30 1841 - Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Allen Wife - Female 32 1839 - Surrey, England
Mary Jane Allen Daughter - Female 11 1860 - Middlesex, England
Emily Alice Allen Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Middlesex, England
Jamila Allen Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Middlesex, England
Rachel Allen Daughter - Female 6 1865 - Middlesex, England
Richard Allen Son - Male 3 1868 - Middlesex, England

ALLEN, RACHEL FIELD Order
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 120

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
11, Saxony Cottages, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

Ann Allen Head Widow Female 42 1839 - Surrey, England
Emily A Allen Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Boot Machinist Middlesex, England
Isabela Allen Daughter Single Female 18 1863 Paste Fitter Middlesex, England
Rachel Allen Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Tailoress Hoxton, Middlesex, England
Richard Williams Son In Law Single Male 14 1867 Errant Boy Hoxton, Middlesex, England
Jesse Allen Son Single Male 0 1881 - Hackney, Middlesex, England T
John Tomas Boarder Single Male 22 1859 Laster Hackney, Middlesex, England
Mary Talboys Lodger Head Widow Female 57 1824 Dressmaker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

For ref

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
86, Chalgrove Road, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

Charles Chapman Head Married Male 49 1852 Cordwainer Finsbury, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Chapman Wife Married Female 45 1856 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Charles Chapman Son Single Male 18 1883 News Agent Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
William Chapman Son Single Male 17 1884 News Agent Hackney, Middlesex, England
Robert Chapman Son Single Male 14 1887 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Annie Chapman Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Maud Chapman Daughter Single Female 9 1892 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Edith Chapman Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
Lily Chapman Daughter Single Female 1 1900 - Hackney, Middlesex, England

States married 31 years

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
104 Chalgrove Road, St John At Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

Elizabeth Chapman Head Widow Female No Occupation 54 1857 London City
James Chapman Son Single Male Glass Blower 30 1881 London Kingsland
Maud Chapman Daughter Single Female Confectioner 18 1893 London Dalston
Edith Chapman Daughter Single Female Feather Sorter 15 1896 London Hackney
Lily Chapman Daughter - Female School 11 1900 London Hackney
Frank Chapman Son - Male School 9 1902 London Hackney
Arthur Chapman Son - Male - 0 1911 London Hackney
Frederick Brooks Lodger - Male House Repairer 25 1886 London Homerton

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
14, Laburnam Street, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England
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Charles Chapman Head Married Male 28 1853 Boot Maker Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Chapman Wife Married Female 23 1858 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

I think this might be Charles 1861

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Laburnum Lane, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

Robert Chapman Head Married Male 42 1819 Shoe Maker Bungay, Suffolk, England
Hannah Chapman Wife Married Female 41 1820 - Suffolk, England
Maria Chapman Daughter Married Female 15 1846 Servant Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Charles Chapman Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England <<<<<<<
Hannah Chapman Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Chapman Daughter - Female 3 1858 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Alice Chapman Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England


( note mmn on the children is Whiting on GRO index, however this may be Charles but with an error on mmn Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
CHAPMAN, CHARLES WHITE Order
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 01C Page 111

Charles not at home in 1871

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Laburnam Terrace, St Leonard Shoreditch, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

Robert Chapman Head - Male 51 1820 - Suffolk,
Hannah Chapman Wife - Female 50 1821 - Suffolk, England
Alice Chapman Daughter - Female 11 1860 - London, Middlesex, England
Robert Chapman Son - Male 8 1863 - London, Middlesex, England
Jonathan Kedington Boarder - Male 34 1837 - Norfolk, England
Francis Noland Boarder - Male 30 1841 - Ireland
Mary Noland Boarder - Female 4 1867 - Ireland
William Adnett Boarder - Male 30 1841 - Leicestershire, England
James Wallage Boarder - Male 51 1820 - Essex, England

Hi,

Thank you all.

Yes, I think you've pinned down the right family line for the Chapman side.

Just need to find Elizabeth and Charles' Marriage Certificate!! or why they didn't marry.

And, where Elizabeth was between 1861 & 1881

Thanks

Possible Elizabeth was a servant in 1871

Yes, it's a mystery isn't it.

Time to call it a night I think!! I'll check in again tomorrow.