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I am trying to find out about the passage to New Zealand for these two persons. James was born in Forfarshire on 7/8/1845 and Isabella was born in Banffshire in 1847. They were married in 1880 in Lyttlrton, New Zealand so obviously must have travelled to NZ before this date. James was the son of Thomas White and Elisabeth Nicol and Isabella was the daughter of William Thom(p)son and Isabella Cowie.I have no details of the deaths or buriel places of Thomas or Elisabeth so do not know if they travelled to NZ or not. The same goes for James siblings, I know they were all born in Forfarshire but I again do not where they died or were buried. Any help would be appreciated.
Roy Horwell, New Zealand.
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https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792
(New Zealand, Archives New Zealand, Passenger Lists, 1839-1973)
Chris :)
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Piece: SCT1841/152 Place: Enzie -Banffshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Rathven Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Enzie QS
Folio: 3 Page: 19
Address: Clochan
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
THOMSON William M 25 Agricultural Labourer Banffshire
THOMSON Isobel F 25 Banffshire
THOMSON Margaret F 1 Banffshire
ROSS Ann F 18 Banffshire
[Adult (15+) ages were supposed to be rounded down to a mult of 5 in 1841 only]
Piece: SCT1851/159 Place: Keith -Banffshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Keith Banff Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 126 Page: 30 Schedule: 147
Address: Wellington Terrace
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
THOMSON William Head M M 37 Farm Servant Banffshire - Grange
THOMSON Isabella Wife M F 37 Banffshire - Keith
THOMSON Margaret Dau U F 11 Banffshire - Rathven
THOMSON William Son U M 8 Banffshire - Rathven
THOMSON John Son U M 6 Banffshire - Rathven
THOMSON Isabella Dau U F 4 Scholar At Home Banffshire - Keith
Piece: SCT1861/159 Place: Keith -Banffshire Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Keith Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 22 Schedule: 120
Address: Mid St
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
THOMSON William Head M M 46 Ag Labourer Banffshire - Grange
THOMSON Isabella Wife M F 46 Banffshire - Keith
THOMSON Margaret Dau U F 21 Servant Banffshire - Rathven
THOMSON William Son U M 18 Assistant Teacher Banffshire - Rathven
THOMSON John Son - M 16 Apprentice Tailor Banffshire - Keith
THOMSON Isabella Dau - F 14 Servant Banffshire - Keith
THOMSON James Son - M 9 Scholar Banffshire - Keith
THOMSON Jessie Dau - F 7 Scholar Banffshire - Keith
THOMSON Alexander Son - M 5 Scholar Banffshire - Keith
[No FreeCEN transcriptions post 1861 for BAN]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYT2-476
Name Alexander Thomson
Gender Male
Birth Date 15 Oct 1855
Birthplace KEITH,BANFF,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Thomson
Mother's Name Isobel Cowie
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C11159-1
[This is from the GROS index - an 1855 b.cert is definitely worth purchasing. It contains more info than any other year.]
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY6X-3B3
Name Margaret Thomson
Gender Female
Christening Date 24 Feb 1840
Christening Place RATHVEN,BANFF,SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Thomson
Mother's Name Isabel Cowie
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C11164-4
You can buy images of post-1854 BMD rego pages, census images, Old Parish Rego's from:
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
With care, you can get 5 images for 7 GBP
Coverage of the Old Parish Registers
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/old-parish-registers/list-of-old-parish-registers
There is an 1890s map showing parishes in Banff (and every Scottish county) at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/
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http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1367632
(other relating on above mgnv, Roy is struggling at present!)
Chris :)
(from above)
I have posted this request earlier and had a great response but I thought I would try again in case there was someone new on the sceane
Thanks Roy Horwell
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CH - I remember posting on Mr Cheyne, a schoolmaster who taught on Fair Isle and Foula Is in Shetland.
Whilst I was rummaging around on Shetland, I was interested to see some 1800-ish use of the paternalistic naming pattern which still predominates in Iceland, so if William Smith, say, has a daughter, she'ld be called Elizabeth Williamsdaughter, say, which might be written as Elizabeth Williamsdr. It wasn't the common pattern, but I did come across soome instances in Dunrossness psh.
What I was trying to do here was narrow down the window for your Bella's emig'n.
HOWEVER, I'LD NEED ANCESTRY OR FMP TO CHECK CENSUSES AFTER 1861, AND I DON'T HAVE A SUB.
I suspect your Bella went out alone - she could have had a sib with her, or followed a sib.
If you can use the census to get a better idea of when her parents died (and if they moved from Keith), then I think it would be worthwhile purchasing the images of their death rego's - these would name your Bella's grandparents, and might name a maried sister if she were an informant.
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William and Isabella were still in Scotland in 1881:
William Thomson
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: William Thomson
Age: 69
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Isabella Thomson
Gender: Male
Where born: Grange, Banff
Registration Number: 159
Registration district: Keith
Civil Parish: Keith
Town: Fife Keith
County: Banffshire
Address: 19 Wellington Ter
Occupation: Retired Crofter
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 237
LINE: 14
Roll: cssct1881_46
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thomson 69
Isabella Thomson 70
William still alive in 1891:
William Thomson
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: William Thomson
Age: 78
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relationship: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Grange, Banff S
Registration Number: 159
Registration district: Keith
Civil Parish: Keith
Town: Fife Keith
County: Banffshire
Address: No 2 Regent St
Occupation: Retired Crofter
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 79
LINE: 12
Roll: CSSCT1891_45
Household Members:
Name Age
William Thomson 48 - head
Joanna M S Thomson 47 - wife
Elizabeth M Thomson 18
William Thomson 17
Isabella C Thomson 15
Joanna Thomson 14
John S Thomson 10
Jane Thomson 8
Marion Thomson 7
Helen Thomson 5
Caroline Thomson 1
William Thomson 78 - father
Jessie Spence 21 - servant
so probably his death:
THOMSON
WILLIAM
85
1898
159/ 73
Keith
And Isabella's death:
THOMSON
ISABELLA
69
1885
156/ 6
Grange (Banff)
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Re Thomas White and Elizabeth Nicol -
1851 and 1861 originally posted by Alviegal and Gins on one of the other threads, and copied here:
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Farm House of Gilrivie, Dun, Forfar, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Thomas White Head Married Male 33 1818 Farmer (Of 120 Acres 4 Labourers 2 Men 1 Woman & 1 Boy Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
Elisabeth White Wife Married Female 34 1817 Farmer's Wife Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
David White Son - Male 5 1846 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
James White Son - Male 3 1848 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
William White Son - Male 1 1850 Farmer's Son Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
Jane Scott Servant Unmarried Female 21 1830 Kitchen Maid Fettercairn, Kincardineshire, Scotland
Transcription
Mary Gavin Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 Ag Lab Fettercairn, Kincardineshire, Scotland
Transcription
Alexander Stewart Servant - Male 17 1834 Ag Lab Fordoun, Kincardineshire, Scotland
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
St Davids Street, Brechin, Brechin Burgh, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Whyte Head Married Male 42 1819 Stone Mason Craig, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
Elizabeth Whyte Wife Married Female 43 1818 - Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
James Whyte Son - Male 13 1848 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
Transcription
Andrew Whyte Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar Dun, Forfarshire (Angus), Scotland
I can't see them after that.
Don't see their deaths in that area 1861 - 1871.
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Re James White's siblings:
Births:
WHITE
WILLIAM
THOMAS WHITE/ELISABETH NICOL
0
30/12/1849
281/
50 64
Dun
WHITE
ANDREW
THOMAS WHITE/ELISABETH NICOL FR1168 (FR1168)
0
05/07/1852
281/
50 101
Dun
WHITE
DAVID
THOMAS WHITE/ELISABETH NICOL
0
13/07/1845
281/
50 61
Dun
Andrew White
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Andrew White
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dun, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 312
Registration district: Montrose
Civil Parish: Montrose
Town: Montrose
County: Angus
Address: No 60 Union St
Occupation: Lawyers Clerk (servant)
ED: 21
Household schedule number: 171
LINE: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_58
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret Robertson 42
Mary Robertson 40
Andrew White 18
Maybe ??
David White
in the 1871 England Census
Name: David White
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Townshire, Scotland [Forfarshire, Scotland]
Civil Parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 191
Piece: 1335
Folio: 101
Page Number: 36
Occupation: Chemical Manure merchant
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David White
in the 1881 England Census
Name: David White
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Annie White
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil Parish: St Mary Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Fernbank Crouch Hill
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Marine Mercht [I think it says Manure merchant]
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 95
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 279
Folio: 118
Page Number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
David White 35
Annie White 31
James S. White 7
Agnes L. White 3
James Selby 53 - visitor
Mary A. Leighton 23 - servant
Clara Liddard 18 - servant
David White
in the 1901 England Census
Name: David White
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Annie C White
Birth Place: Scotland
Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Upper Holloway
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 165
Folio: 21
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
David White 55 - merchant colonial, employer
Annie C White 51
James S White 27
Agnes N White 23
Mary A Nicol 22 - servant
Helen Alexander 19 - servant
David White
in the 1911 England Census
Name: David White
Age in 1911: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Montrose
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Fern Bank, Holly Park, Crouch Hill N
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: MERCHANT COLONEL [Colonial]
Registration district: Islington
Registration District Number: 10
Sub-registration district: Tollington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Piece: 823
Household Members:
Name Age
David White 66
James S White 37
Agnes N White 33
Alice Jeffery 30 - servant
David's death:
Deaths Mar 1916 (>99%)
White David 70 Islington 1b 329
His wife Annie's death:
Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%)
White Annie Catenach 52 Islington 1b 179
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