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thank you again will try to

If you think he was related I would be tempted to get his birth certificate.

I did wonder if this is the Charlotte listed as his mother on the Christening:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
44, Leavesden Road, Watford Urban, Watford, Hertfordshire, England

James H Franklin Head Married Male 30 1871 Stableman Bushey, Hertfordshire,
Rose Franklin Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Croxley Green, Hertfordshire,
Charlotte Oliver Visitor Married Female 28 1873 Living On Own Means Sutton, Surrey,

please do not post about the same thing on more than one board, or more than once about closely related people

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1364621

... and from 2015 ...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1349715

no I don't have and his family said they don't either but as said to look at them now and him in photos and my uncles mum and aunt and my nan there is a family member some where in there not stranges

Do you have the birth certificate of John Oliver? - I just wondered if that also gave mother as Charlotte (Oakden).

yes thank you edith was my grand mother so her marrage to George and there children I have the family history on it was her father Robert we were stuck at and further back so thank you all again and yes it you saw pictures of edith my mother her sister john oliver and one of his daughters you could think they were all the same person that is how much alike they are

Linda

According to an earlier post by Linda, Edith moved to Christchurch and married George A Bush:

First name(s) EDITH
Last name BARRETT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1919
Spouse: George A Bush
Spouse's last name Bush
District Christchurch
County Hampshire
Volume 2B Page 2088

1939 register:

Bush Household 102 Ripon Road , Bournemouth C.B., Hampshire, England

Edith Bush 22 Jun 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
George A Bush 09 Jul 1885 Male Telecommunications Salesman Married
Lily M L R Tappy 13 Oct 1920 Female Cashier & Book Keeper (Grocery Single
Closed record
George A Tappy 13 Jul 1924 Male Errand Boy Furniture Store Single
Closed record
Closed record

I think adopted son is more likely- born with Oliver surname: (note the address on baptism- this is the address where Robert & Martha were in 1901)

OLIVER, JOHN (Mother's maiden name: OAKDEN )
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 715

Baptism:
First name(s) John
Last name Oliver
Baptism year 1901
Baptism date 08 Nov 1901
Place Watford, Christ Church
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Gentleman
Mother's first names(s) Charlotte
Abode: 93 Leavesden Road <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record set Hertfordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Don't think he was Ediths son, as there should have been a birth registered in the Barrett name (even if the father was named on the cert if she wasn't married it would have been dual registered) - and this doesn't appear to be the case.

He could have been the son of some other extended family member if you believe there was a family resemblance?

yes the story goes that John was adoped but have found his family and meet up and to see them and photos of him he has to be either Roberts son from out of wed lock or ediths as a young girl so thank you for all your help once again don't know what I would have done or how many more years it would have taken
thank you so much to all

Robert & Martha had no children on 1891 or 1901 census, maybe they couldn't have any - although not impossible but they had been married a long time before John Oliver came on the scene. Maybe he was their "adopted" child, hence no birth record in that name?

What was declared on the 1911 census re children born/survived?

I also tried to find out what happened to Edith Elizabeth Barrett...born 1884.

Not having any luck so far.

No Prickles, I couldn't find a birth for John Oliver either!

Jude

I am not seeing a birth registered for John Oliver Barrett.

John Oliver Barrett in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John Oliver Barrett
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1901
Date of Registration: Mar 1978
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 1733


John O Barrett on the 1939 Register

Barrett Household (5 People) 72 Broadway , Kettering M.B., Northamptonshire, England

John O Barrett 13 Apr 1901 Male Frillier Baptist Minister Married 63 1
Gladys W Barrett 04 Jul 1907 Female Housewife Married 63 2 (The "W" is possibly an "M" on the image)
(One Closed Record)
Alice J Parkin (Culley) 04 Mar 1909 Female Companion Single 63 4
Hetty Leigh 01 Jan 1906 Female Guest Married 63 5
Michael Leigh 10 Nov 1928 Male At School Single 63 6


Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
Barrett John O Hipkin Peterbro' 3b 665
Hipkin Gladys M Barrett Peterbro' 3b 665

Births Jun 1936 (>99%)
BARRETT Gordon J Hipkin Newcastle T. 10b 74

Walter Henry Robert Barrett in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995

Name: Walter Henry Robert Barrett
Death Date: 22 Nov 1927
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 21 Jan 1928
Registry: London, England

Of 25 Grovendale Road, Upper Holloway, Middlesex.

To Martha Barrett widow.........Effects: £73 10s

I cant thank you all enough I will now try and confirm it is all correct and that this is the missing family of Edith and if so then I must try and track all the family down thank you again but should you find any more do let me know if pos I cant tell you how many years this has been going on for

Linda thank you

Yes Chris, the probate is on Ancestry - address (as per opening post) 25 Grovedale Road

Jude

No idea of things!, but saw below...

Chris :)

Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%)
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BARRETT Walter H R 67 Islington 1b 256


Burial Register summary

Barrett Walter Henry Robert
Burial date 23 November 1927
Location Camden (Highgate Cemetery)

https://www.deceasedonline.com/


Deaths Mar 1949 (>99%)
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Barrett Martha 85 Islington 5c 1122


Burial Register summary

Barrett Martha
Burial date 01 February 1949
Location Highgate Cemetery (Camden)

Sarah Susan was the mother of Edith Elizabeth Barrett (born in 1884). Sarah died 1885:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)

BARRETT Sarah Susan, 14 August Administration of the personal estate of Sarah Susan Barrett (Wife of Walter Henry Robert Barrett) late of 3a Girdlestone Road, Upper Holloway in the County of Middlesex who died 3 July 1885 at Purfleet in the County of Kent was granted at the Principal Registry to the said Walter Henry Robert Barrett of 24 Brunswick Road, Upper Holloway, Painter and House Decorator

Death:
First name(s) SARAH
Last name BARRETT
Gender Female
Birth year 1862
Age 23
Death quarter 3
Death year 1885
District Dartford
County Kent
Volume 2A Page 234
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He is still at Brunswick Road with his second wife, Martha, in 1891- proving Walter/ Robert are they same person:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brunswick Road, Islington, London, England

Robert Barrett Head Married Male 30 1861 Decorator St Pancras, Middlesex,
Martha Barrett Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Blackwell, Middlesex,
Edith Barrett Daughter - Female 7 1884 - St Pancras, Middlesex,
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)

BARRETT Walter Henry Robert of 25 Grovedale Road Upper Holloway Middlesex died 22 November 1927 Administration London 21 January to Martha Barrett, widow

(Administration was later in 1933 granted to Rev John Oliver Barrett, Baptist Minister)

It seems strange that he married and died under his full name yet apparently did not use it in the censuses

Jude