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No Prickles, I couldn't find a birth for John Oliver either!

Jude

I also tried to find out what happened to Edith Elizabeth Barrett...born 1884.

Not having any luck so far.

Robert & Martha had no children on 1891 or 1901 census, maybe they couldn't have any - although not impossible but they had been married a long time before John Oliver came on the scene. Maybe he was their "adopted" child, hence no birth record in that name?

What was declared on the 1911 census re children born/survived?

yes the story goes that John was adoped but have found his family and meet up and to see them and photos of him he has to be either Roberts son from out of wed lock or ediths as a young girl so thank you for all your help once again don't know what I would have done or how many more years it would have taken
thank you so much to all

Don't think he was Ediths son, as there should have been a birth registered in the Barrett name (even if the father was named on the cert if she wasn't married it would have been dual registered) - and this doesn't appear to be the case.

He could have been the son of some other extended family member if you believe there was a family resemblance?

I think adopted son is more likely- born with Oliver surname: (note the address on baptism- this is the address where Robert & Martha were in 1901)

OLIVER, JOHN (Mother's maiden name: OAKDEN )
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 715

Baptism:
First name(s) John
Last name Oliver
Baptism year 1901
Baptism date 08 Nov 1901
Place Watford, Christ Church
Father's first name(s) John
Father's occupation Gentleman
Mother's first names(s) Charlotte
Abode: 93 Leavesden Road <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Record set Hertfordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

According to an earlier post by Linda, Edith moved to Christchurch and married George A Bush:

First name(s) EDITH
Last name BARRETT
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1919
Spouse: George A Bush
Spouse's last name Bush
District Christchurch
County Hampshire
Volume 2B Page 2088

1939 register:

Bush Household 102 Ripon Road , Bournemouth C.B., Hampshire, England

Edith Bush 22 Jun 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
George A Bush 09 Jul 1885 Male Telecommunications Salesman Married
Lily M L R Tappy 13 Oct 1920 Female Cashier & Book Keeper (Grocery Single
Closed record
George A Tappy 13 Jul 1924 Male Errand Boy Furniture Store Single
Closed record
Closed record

yes thank you edith was my grand mother so her marrage to George and there children I have the family history on it was her father Robert we were stuck at and further back so thank you all again and yes it you saw pictures of edith my mother her sister john oliver and one of his daughters you could think they were all the same person that is how much alike they are

Linda

Do you have the birth certificate of John Oliver? - I just wondered if that also gave mother as Charlotte (Oakden).

no I don't have and his family said they don't either but as said to look at them now and him in photos and my uncles mum and aunt and my nan there is a family member some where in there not stranges

please do not post about the same thing on more than one board, or more than once about closely related people

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1364621

... and from 2015 ...

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1349715

If you think he was related I would be tempted to get his birth certificate.

I did wonder if this is the Charlotte listed as his mother on the Christening:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
44, Leavesden Road, Watford Urban, Watford, Hertfordshire, England

James H Franklin Head Married Male 30 1871 Stableman Bushey, Hertfordshire,
Rose Franklin Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Croxley Green, Hertfordshire,
Charlotte Oliver Visitor Married Female 28 1873 Living On Own Means Sutton, Surrey,

thank you again will try to