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Please help still trying to find great grandfather Robert barrett but keep hiting a brick wall have decides he may have been called Walter H Robert when single then married 1880 approx. wife died they may have had a daughter Edith then married again1886 to Martha but by then was pos calling him self Robert he was a painter decorater has anyone got this in there tree know of a walter calling himself Robert on some paper work born in St Pancars in others pos Islington but both in Middlesex when married to Martha lived in Holloway they were Baptist in Leavesden Rd Watford address was 25 Grovedale Rd hope this info can help please

is this your man?


the 1881 England Census

Name:Walter H .R . Barrett

Age:21

Estimated birth year:abt 1860

Relationship to Head:Son

Father:Conyens W. Barrett

Mother:Mary A. Barrett

Where born:Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:Islington

County/Island:London

Street address:24 Brunswick Rd

Occupation:Painter & C

Registration district:Islington

ED, institution, or vessel:71a
Piece:246
Folio:23
Page Number:40

Conyens W. Barrett 47
Mary A. Barrett 49
Walter H.R. Barrett 21
George A.G. Barrett 19
Fanny E.L. Barrett 17
Ada A. Barrett 14
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Name:Walter Henry Robert Barrett

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:15 Oct 1865

Father's name:Couzens William Barrett

Mother's name:Mary Ann Barrett

Parish or Poor Law Union:Holloway
Borough:Islington
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Marriages Jun 1886
BARRETT Walter Henry R Pancras 1b 311
BULLEN Martha Pancras 1b 311

1891

Robert Banelt <<<Decorator

Age:30

Estimated birth year:abt 1861

Relation:Head

Spouse's Name:Martha Banelt

Where born:St Pancras, London, England

Civil Parish:Islington
Ecclesiastical parish:St Peter
Town:London

Registration district:Islington

ED, institution, or vessel:1
Piece:141
Folio:17
Page Number:31

Robert Banelt 30
Martha Banelt 30
Edith Banelt 7


1901 Census

Name:Robert Barrett <<<<<<<Paper hanger

Age:40

Estimated birth year:abt 1861

Relation to Head:Head

Spouse:Martha Barrett

Birth Place:Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:Watford

Ecclesiastical parish:St Andrew
County/Island:Hertfordshire
Registration district:Watford

ED, institution, or vessel:03
Piece:1316
Folio:60
Page Number:12
Household schedule number:62


Robert Barrett 40
Martha Barrett 38
Edith Barrett 16
William Obrien 7

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
154 Leavesden Road Watford, Watford Urban, Hertfordshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Robert Barrett Head Married Male House Decorator 50 1861 London Highgate
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Martha Barrett Wife Married Female - 49 1862 London Bough
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Edith Barrett Daughter Single Female Packer 25 1886 London Highgate
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John Oliver Barrett Son - Male - 9 1902 Herts Watford

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Brunswick Place, Islington, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Robert Mills Head Married Male 30 1831 Mason City of London, Middlesex, England
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Susana Mills Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Suffolk, England
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Mary Ann Mills Daughter - Female 9 1852 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
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William Mills Son - Male 7 1854 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
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George Mills Son - Male 5 1856 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
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Edward Mills Son - Male 4 1857 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
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Susana Mills Daughter - Female 2 1859 - Highgate, Middlesex, England
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... W Barrett Head Married Male 27 1834 Carpenter St Pancras, Middlesex, England xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Mary Ann Barrett Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Suffolk, England
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William Barrett Son - Male 5 1856 - Islington, Middlesex, England
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Mary Ann Barrett Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Islington, Middlesex, England
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Walter Barrett Son Married Male 1 1860 - Islington, Middlesex, England
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William Moy Head Married Male 34 1827 Watch Jeweller Middlesex, England
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Maria Moy Wife Married Female 35 1826 - Hornsey, Middlesex, England
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Sam John Moy Son - Male 13 1848 - Hornsey, Middlesex, England

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brunswick Road, Islington, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Couzans W Barrett Head - Male 37 1834 - Middlesex, England
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Mary A Barrett Wife - Female 39 1832 - Suffolk, England
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William C F Barrett Son - Male 15 1856 - Middlesex, England
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Mary A M Barrett Daughter - Female 13 1858 - Middlesex, England
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Walter H R Barrett Son - Male 11 1860 - Middlesex, England
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George A J Barrett Son - Male 9 1862 - Middlesex, England
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Fanny E S Barrett Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Middlesex, England
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Ada A Barrett Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Middlesex, England

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Marriages Mar 1882 (>99%)
BARRETT Walter Henry R Pancras 1b 150
BARRS Sarah Susan Pancras 1b 150
BINLEY Albert Pancras 1b 150
EMMETT Hannah Pancras 1b 150

BARRETT, EDITH ELIZABETH BARRS Order
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 121

thank you all what you have come up with to me sounds like Walter and Robert are the same person What do you think? dates names etc and area I do wish our grandparents had said more or our parents had taken more info in and now its to late to ask them and we are all looking for a needle in a hat stack at times and hope we are on the right road to finding out the truth

This is the marriage that safc posted. Odd that his father is named as William!

Name:Sarah Susan Barrs

Spouse: Walter Henry Robert Barrett <<<<Paper hanger

Record Type:Marriage

Event Date:19 Mar 1882

Parish:St Pancras Old St Pancras

Borough:Camden

Father Name:William Henry Barrs <<<Builder

Spouse Father:William Barrett <<<Builder

Register Type:Parish Register

Name: Walter Henry Robert Barrett
Spouse: Sarah Susan Barrs
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Mar 1882**********************
Parish: St Pancras Old St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Father Name: William Barrett
Spouse Father: William Henry Barrs
Register Type: Parish Register

if sarah had a child and passed away by 1886 this might then confirm the family story that Ediths father was married and they had her then her mother passed away and he remarried Martha its a shame some of the paper work went missing during the war

thank you all for your help I will get to the bottom of this all one day I feel sure

It seems strange that he married and died under his full name yet apparently did not use it in the censuses

Jude

Sarah Susan was the mother of Edith Elizabeth Barrett (born in 1884). Sarah died 1885:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)

BARRETT Sarah Susan, 14 August Administration of the personal estate of Sarah Susan Barrett (Wife of Walter Henry Robert Barrett) late of 3a Girdlestone Road, Upper Holloway in the County of Middlesex who died 3 July 1885 at Purfleet in the County of Kent was granted at the Principal Registry to the said Walter Henry Robert Barrett of 24 Brunswick Road, Upper Holloway, Painter and House Decorator

Death:
First name(s) SARAH
Last name BARRETT
Gender Female
Birth year 1862
Age 23
Death quarter 3
Death year 1885
District Dartford
County Kent
Volume 2A Page 234
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He is still at Brunswick Road with his second wife, Martha, in 1891- proving Walter/ Robert are they same person:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brunswick Road, Islington, London, England

Robert Barrett Head Married Male 30 1861 Decorator St Pancras, Middlesex,
Martha Barrett Wife Married Female 30 1861 - Blackwell, Middlesex,
Edith Barrett Daughter - Female 7 1884 - St Pancras, Middlesex,
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations)

BARRETT Walter Henry Robert of 25 Grovedale Road Upper Holloway Middlesex died 22 November 1927 Administration London 21 January to Martha Barrett, widow

(Administration was later in 1933 granted to Rev John Oliver Barrett, Baptist Minister)

No idea of things!, but saw below...

Chris :)

Deaths Dec 1927 (>99%)
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BARRETT Walter H R 67 Islington 1b 256


Burial Register summary

Barrett Walter Henry Robert
Burial date 23 November 1927
Location Camden (Highgate Cemetery)

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Deaths Mar 1949 (>99%)
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Barrett Martha 85 Islington 5c 1122


Burial Register summary

Barrett Martha
Burial date 01 February 1949
Location Highgate Cemetery (Camden)

Yes Chris, the probate is on Ancestry - address (as per opening post) 25 Grovedale Road

Jude

I cant thank you all enough I will now try and confirm it is all correct and that this is the missing family of Edith and if so then I must try and track all the family down thank you again but should you find any more do let me know if pos I cant tell you how many years this has been going on for

Linda thank you

Walter Henry Robert Barrett in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995

Name: Walter Henry Robert Barrett
Death Date: 22 Nov 1927
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 21 Jan 1928
Registry: London, England

Of 25 Grovendale Road, Upper Holloway, Middlesex.

To Martha Barrett widow.........Effects: £73 10s

I am not seeing a birth registered for John Oliver Barrett.

John Oliver Barrett in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John Oliver Barrett
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1901
Date of Registration: Mar 1978
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 1733


John O Barrett on the 1939 Register

Barrett Household (5 People) 72 Broadway , Kettering M.B., Northamptonshire, England

John O Barrett 13 Apr 1901 Male Frillier Baptist Minister Married 63 1
Gladys W Barrett 04 Jul 1907 Female Housewife Married 63 2 (The "W" is possibly an "M" on the image)
(One Closed Record)
Alice J Parkin (Culley) 04 Mar 1909 Female Companion Single 63 4
Hetty Leigh 01 Jan 1906 Female Guest Married 63 5
Michael Leigh 10 Nov 1928 Male At School Single 63 6


Marriages Sep 1932 (>99%)
Barrett John O Hipkin Peterbro' 3b 665
Hipkin Gladys M Barrett Peterbro' 3b 665

Births Jun 1936 (>99%)
BARRETT Gordon J Hipkin Newcastle T. 10b 74