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Mary Ann Burns from Enniskillen married John Cookson from Preston in St Thomas's Parish Preston in 1883. The marriage details show the brides father as being called Edward Burns who was a Hawker.

Mary Ann Burns was born c. 1855 ( some records show approX 1857)

Can anyone please help to trace Edward Burns or Mary Anns Mother...I'm assuming he too was from Ireland but I also understand that the term Hawker relates to a traveller and so may not be.....any help would be gratefully appreciated..regards Lynn

Do you mean James Cookson?

Mary Anne Burns
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mary Anne Burns
Registration Year: 1883
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Preston
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 765
Records on Page:
Name
Mary Anne Burns
James Cookson

Mary Ann Cookson
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Cookson
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Cookson
Birth Place: Euneskillen, Ireland
Civil Parish: Preston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Preston
Sub-registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3951
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cookson 49
Mary Ann Cookson 46
Thomas Cookson 9
Elizabeth Ellen Cookson 6
Ethel Cookson 5



Mary Ann Burns
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Burns
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Edward Burns
Mother's name: Bridget Burns
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 93
Piece: 3791
Folio: 59
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Burns 39 - born Scotland - confectioner <<<<<<<<<
Bridget Burns 28 - Ireland
Mary Ann Burns 17
John Burns 13
Elizabeth Burns 11
Edward Burns 7
Bridget Burns 1

sorry - yes I do mean Jmaes Cookson......too many john's and james's in my tree :-)

I came across that record and questioned whether it was a link......looking at the age of bridget there is only 11 years between her and mary ann.

yes - I have the correct details in my tree - just had a senior moment

It's possible that Bridget is a second wife and Edward's first wife, and mother of Mary Ann died.

Possibly ???

Marriages Dec 1866 (>99%)
Burns Edward Liverpool 8b 484 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Kearney Ann Liverpool 8b 484
QUINN Bridget Liverpool 8b 484 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Whelan John Liverpool 8b 484

From 1871 census I'm pretty sure John Whelan married Ann Kearney.

also just possibly ???

Bridget Quinn
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Bridget Quinn
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: 1842
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: David Quinn
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 271
Piece: 2656
Folio: 61
Page Number: 50
Household Members:
Name Age
David Quinn 48
Mary Quinn 23
Bridget Quinn 19
John Quinn 17
David Quinn 13
Catharine Byrnes 3
David Byrnes 1

Therefore another wild jump -

Bridget Quinn
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Bridget Quinn
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1841
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1841
Baptism Place: St Andrew's, Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland
Parish Variants: St. Andrew's, Westland Row, Westland Row
Diocese: Dublin
Father: David Quinn
Mother: Elizth Quinn

??Marriage: 3 Mar 1883 St Thomas, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Cookson - (X), 26, Driver, Bachelor, 32 Frank St.
Mary Alice Burns - (X), 26, Winder, Spinster, 10 St.Georges St.
Groom's Father: Richard Cookson, Deceased, Shoemaker
Bride's Father: Edward Burns, Hawker
Witness: Patrick Thomas, (X); Margaret Ann Thomas
Married by Banns by: James P.Shepherd Vicar
Register: Marriages 1882 - 1889, Page 24, Entry 47
Source: LDS Film 1526113

is there a possible marriage for edward burns in the irish registers to mary ann's mum? whoever she is?

As you say Bridget may just be filling the shoes of the deceased...I would be amazed if she was Mary Ann's birth mother

Yes- that's the marriage record I obtained the information from for edward

the 1861 census is intersting for the quinns as there are 2 Byrnes living with them.....but not Mary Ann....the plot thickens

if all these are linked that would mean Edward Burns born Lvpl in 1864.....but Edward & Bridget only married in 1866 Liverpool...they had a couple of Byrnes living with them in 1861 that were born 1858 & 1860...perhaps Mary Ann was back in Ireland looking after John & Elizabeth Burns and Mum died around 1860....it could fit !!

Just to verify,
you are asking about Mary Ann Burns but the 1883 marriage record to James Cookson is for a Mary Alice Burns?

EDIT

Ancestry version of marriage record

Name: Mary Ann Burns
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Year: abt 1857
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Mar 1883
Parish: Preston, St Thomas, Lancashire, England
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Spouse: James Cookson
Spouse Age: 26
Father: Edward Burns
Spouse Father: Richard Cookson
Register Type: Parish Register

Yes - I spotted that - I think it's just an error in transcript....I am fairly sure that it is Mary Ann.

I have set that event in my tree but I sm still looking for clues as to where her father Edward was born and who her Mother is.

regards

Lynn

If Edward and Bridget married in Liverpool in 1866 then you could get the marriage certificate, it should give you Edward's father's name, which may be help in finding further information on him.
The cert. will also give you the name of Bridget's father, which will help confirm if 1861 census is the correct person.

Also, as Edward Jnr was born in liverpool you could also get his birth certificate will give you his mother's name and maiden name. This may give you the name of Edward's first wife. If Bridget, was his mother then it will give you her maiden name which will confirm, or not, if Edward married Bridget Quinn.



There are other marriages in Liverpool for an Edward Burns to Bridget ?

Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%)
Burns Edward Liverpool 8b 534
Fagan Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 534
Grimes Bridget Liverpool 8b 534
Rigby Joshua Liverpool 8b 534
Walsh John Liverpool 8b 534

and

Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
Burns Edward Liverpool 8b 603
Clarke Bridget Liverpool 8b 603
Stewart Charles Liverpool 8b 603
Wilson Rachel Liverpool 8b 603

...................so you would need to rule these out before saying that the 1866 marriage if definately correct.

Year Ref Church Forename Latin Version Surname Spouse Forename Latin Version Spouse Surname For Full Details of this Marriage
1866 149 ST AUGUSTINE BRIDGET BIRGITTAM QUINN EDWARD EDWARDUM BURNS REQUEST FORM


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Elizabeth Burns

in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms, 1802-1906
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Name: Elizabeth Burns
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1867
Baptism Date: 11 Aug 1867
Parish: St Anthony's, Lancashire, England
Father's name: Edwardi Burns
Mother's name: Brigetta Quin