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I have now received the birth cert for the Sylvia Wallace that I thought could have been my dad's missing sister, but this appears to not be the case.
This lady was born to parents William Wallace and Agnes Wallace (formerly Ball).

So this completely throws my idea that my grandmother Sarah Wallace (formerly Ball) returned to Staffordshire to possibly hide a birth.

I have spoken to a descendant of the only child born to Sarah & her second husband Alfred Talmage and he has confirmed that he recalls My father having a younger sister but again only knew the nickname "Babe".

So the missing daughter can't have been Sarah's child or the the descendant would have have been a relative of his.

I have thought that maybe as someone suggested it may have been a child of one of Claude's siblings that was bought up by her Uncle & Aunt but Claude had three siblings that I know of, Effie, Frank & Lillian but none of them died young so this is unlikely.

I am now totally stumped as I have from two totally independent sources that there was a younger sister.....any ideas on where to try?
I have the addresses the family lived at, is there anywhere to see household records?

Any suggestions or assistance would be much appreciated.

Eugenie,
in the meantime could you just say who were the parents of Sarah Ball please, just so I can have a look at their family to see if there is a child with them that may be the missing Babe.

Ohh my, I don't know where to start with all this info!

Thank you all so much for all your time and efforts. so appreciated.

The missing sibling is definitely on the side of either Claud/Sarah as I have traced a descendant of Sarah & Alfred Talmage's only son-Alfred(jnr) and he has confirmed what I thought, that Frank & Ivy had another sister but he too only heard her referred to as "Babe"
I will post up if the Syliva born to Mother-Ball in Staffordshire is my missing lady once I receive the cert.
If not then I have to assume she may have been either Claud's or maybe a relatives child that possibly was taken into the family??

Daughter Doris in 1939:

Pearce Household (5 People) 24 Farlton Road , Wandsworth, London, England

Albert W Pearce 20 Mar 1896 Male House Painter & Decorator Married
Eliza Pearce 05 Jun 1897 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Rene R Pearce 19 Dec 1922 Female Costing Clerk Single
1 closed record
Horace A Carey 29 Nov 1909 Male Electrician Maintenance Married
Doris A Carey 03 Aug 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married

Doris' birthdate was changed from 23 Aug 1912

The Pearce family were relatives of Doris Mum.
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Doris death:

First name(s) DORIS ANNIE
Last name CAREY
Gender Female
Birth 23 Aug 1912
Death quarter 4
Death year 1988
District WANDSWORTH
Register number 1088
County London
Volume 15 Page 976

http://burials.wandsworth.gov.uk/

(above has the Alfred 1917, if anything else relating there!)

Chris :)

Alfred also had 2 other children from his first wife:

First name(s) ALFRED W G
Last name TALMAGE
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 4
Mother's last name BRIGGS
District WANDSWORTH
County London
Volume 1D Page 1179

This son died in 1917.
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First name(s) DORIS A
Last name TALMAGE
Birth year 1912
Birth quarter 4
Mother's last name BRIGGS
District WANDSWORTH
County London
Volume 1D Page 1283

Looks like Doris married in 1935 to Horace Carey

This is her 1939 (She married 1935):

Walter Household (2 People) 14 Phipps Terrace , Mitcham M.B., Surrey, England

Muriel D Walter 26 Jul ? Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Herbert W Walter 20 Dec 1908 Male Painting & Loading Steel (Heavy W Married
1 closed record
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marriage:

Name: Murriel Daisy Talmage (8 Western Road)
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1910
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1935
Archive Provided Parish: Mitcham, Christ Church
Parish as it Appears: Mitcham
Spouse: Herbert William Walter (205 Western Road)
Spouse Age: 27
Father: Alfred Thomas Talmage (Painter)
Spouse Father: Edward George Walter
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Murial's death:

Name: Muriel Daisy Walter
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1910
Date of Registration: Sep 1973
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e Page: 480

Given that they were both widowed when they married, could the mystery sister be one of Alfred's daughters from his first marriage?

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
117a Penwith Road Southfields S W, Wandsworth, London, England

Charles W May Head Married Male Paperhanger 28 1883 Wandsworth Surrey
Jane May Wife Married Female - 24 1887 Wandsworth Surrey
Ida May Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Wandsworth Surrey
Edna May Daughter - Female - 1 1910 Wandsworth Surrey
Charles W May Son - Male - 0 1911 Wandsworth Surrey
Alfred Talmage Head Married Male House Pointer 27 1884 Ponders End Middlesex
Rosena Daisy Talmage Wife Married Female - 23 1888 Wandsworth Surrey
Muriel Daisy Talmage Daughter - Female - 0 1911 Wandsworth Surrey
Walter Thomas Briggs Brother In Law Single Male - 17 1894 Wandsworth Surrey
Eliza Briggs Sister To Wife - Female - 13 1898 Wandsworth Surrey

Rosena & Alfred married 1 year, 1 child still living
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Muriel's birth:

First name(s) MURIEL D
Last name TALMAGE
Birth year 1910
Birth quarter 3
District WANDSWORTH
County London
Volume 1D Page 675
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her mother's death:

First name(s) ROSINA D
Last name TALMAGE
Gender Female
Birth year 1888
Age 30
Death quarter 3
Death year 1918
District WANDSWORTH
County London
Volume 1D Page 678

(below looks to be 1918 Birth)

Chris :)

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1918

WALLACE Sylvia May Norton Newcastle-Under-Lyme NO/58/064

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/


Edits (on below, at 19, Foss Road 1935, as Talmadge. (Albert Thomas, Sarah, and Frank Edgar Wallace. 1939 as Talmage, with a Gertrude Martha Wallace, also Frank)

All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 (Ancestry)


https://summerstown182.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/napoleons-column/

(Claude on above)


(Henry Ball given for Father of Sarah, 1919 Talmage Marriage, occ. Potters Assistant (London, Ancestry)

This gives Ivy's DOB in case you don't have it.


Household (3 People)
137 Blackshaw Road , Wandsworth, London, England

Ivy L Wallace (Woodcock)
DOB 27 Nov 1910
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Unpaid Domestic Duties
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 120
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

George T Woodcock
DOB 06 Jun 1908
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Bricklayer
MARITAL STATUS Married
SCHEDULE 120
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Gene D Soper (Woodcock)
DOB 03 Feb 1933
SEX Female
OCCUPATION At School
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 120
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3

Ref: RG101/0593F/011/14 Letter Code: AXLP
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Births Mar 1888
BALL........ Sarah...... Stoke T.... 6b 275

Do you have any information on Sarah's family?

Sometimes an illegitimate child was brought up by their grandparents so maybe she was with them in 1939?

It would be worth checking out her family, just in case.

WALLACE, EDGAR

Rank:Private
Service No:031157
Date of Death:21/07/1918
Age:34
Regiment/Service:Army Ordnance Corps 4th Coy
. Grave Reference: I. F. 20.
Cemetery:TERLINCTHUN BRITISH CEMETERY, WIMILLE

Additional Information:Son of Thomas William and Emma Wallace; husband of Mrs. S. Wallace, of 19, Foss Rd., Tooting, London.

Thank you everyone.

I have emailed the tree owner of the Sylvia May Wallace, let's hope I get a response.

I am now doubting that the Sylvia Wallace in Staffordshire is "Babe" as this Sylvia married in Cheadle(thanks Catherine) and I believe the lady I am looking for stayed in London although I could be wrong, it's just family hearsay.

I will have to wait until I receive the cert to see if I have been barking up the wrong tree.

If only I knew her name, I know she exists!

Roll on the next available census........... :-S

As the couple didn't marry until 1915.......i checked out Ball/Ball births registered in Wandsworth between 1911--1915

There is only one......

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Ball Henry J R Ball Wandsworth 1d 1191

Deaths Mar 1912 (>99%)
Ball Henry J R 0 Wandsworth 1d 678

I have looked to see if there are more than one Sylvia M. Wallace born in 1918 but there is only the one that you have already noted.

In which case, a tree on ancestry has Sylvia M. Wallace born 1918 Staffordshire on their tree.
Her middle name is May born 29/03/1918
Married to Robert Fletcher Gibson
Died 31/03/2014

No parents names given.

They have some lovely photos too.

This is the marriage for above couple:-

Marriages Sep 1945 (>99%)
Gibson Robert F Wallace Cheadle 6b 1012
Wallace Sylvia M Gibson Cheadle 6b 1012

So she should be on 1939 records under her maiden name.

Thank you everyone.

I believe Claud & Sarah married in 1915, probably stated they married in 1907 due to having children in 1909 & 1910.

Does anyone know if there any way I can search for a child born to both/either without knowing the name?

I know there isn't a census available that I could check as "Babe" was born after 1911 but I do have the address Claud & sarah lived at, is there any kind of register that would have more info?

Looks like they didn't marry untill much later:-

Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
Ball Sarah Wallace Wandsworth 1d 1993
Mears Miriam F Taylor Wandsworth 1d 1993
Taylor Richard Mears Wandsworth 1d 1993
Wallace Claude E [BP]all Wandsworth 1d 1993

The 1911 census states Claude and Sarah had been married 4 years.

I'm not seeing a marriage that fits with those details.

Does include one closed record

1939 register
Talmage Household (3 People)
19 Foss Road , Wandsworth, London, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Sarah Talmage 04 Jan 1888 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Alfred (Thomas) Talmage 18 Dec 1882 Unemployed Painter
Alfred Thomas Talmage 27 Mar 1921 Cabinet Maker
Ref: RG101/0598B/017/3 Letter Code: AXQE