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Looking for details of my Grandmother Ellen Power born c.1880.
Married in 1903 in Newport, Monmouthshire to my Grandfather Frederick Curthoys.
Frederick was born 29/9/1879 in Redwick Gloucestershire and died in Newport in 1948.
Some records I have show Ellen born in Newport others as being born in Ireland. Would be grateful for any info
Thanks
Martyn

Hi Martyn and welcome the the boards

For her exact date of birth.........

Ellen Curthoys on the 1939 Register

Curthoys Household (4 People) 20 Goodrich Crescent , Newport C.B., Monmouthshire, Wales

Ellen Curthoys 10 Oct 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Frederick W Curthoys 29 Sep 1879 Male Railway Engine Driver (Retired) Married
Frederick W Curthoys 26 Mar 1911 Male Wharf Labourer Single
George Curthoys 16 Feb 1914 Male Aerodrome Clerk Single

1939 gives birth date


1939 Register Transcription

Curthoys Household (4 People) 20 Goodrich Crescent , Newport C.B., Monmouthshire, Wales
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Ellen Curthoys 10 Oct 1881 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 146 2
Frederick W Curthoys 29 Sep 1879 Male Railway Engine Driver (Retired) Married 146 1
Frederick W Curthoys 26 Mar 1911 Male Wharf Labourer Single 146 3
George Curthoys 16 Feb 1914 Male Aerodrome Clerk Single 146 4

Born Newport, per 1911 census:

Ellen Curthoys
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Ellen Curthoys
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: 95 Lewis St Gill Newport Mon
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 49
Piece: 31972
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Curthoys 31
Ellen Curthoys 29
Louise Curthoys 4
Frank Curthoys 2
Frederick Curthoys 1/12

1911
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Frank Curthoys Son - Male - 2 1909 Dorset Weymouth
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Frederick Curthoys Son - Male - 0 1911 Mon Newport
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Louise Curthoys Daughter - Female - 4 1907 Berks Reading
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Frederick Curthoys Head Married Male Railway Engine Driver 31 1880 Gloucestershire Bristol
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Ellen Curthoys Wife Married Female - 29 1882 Monmouth Newport

What does the marriage cert say about her parents, father's occupation, etc?

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Tredegar Arms Hotel, 54, High Street, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Ellen Power Servant Single Female 21 1880 Chambermaid Domestic Youghal, Ireland

1901
Tredegar Arms Hotel, 54, High Street, Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Young Head Married Male 57 1844 Hotel Keeper St John, Norfolk, England
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Catherine Young Wife Married Female 48 1853 Hotel Keeper Abersychan, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Maude Young Daughter Single Female 20 1881 Hotel Keeper Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Florence Young Daughter Single Female 18 1883 Hotel Keeper Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Harriet Johns Boarder Single Female 28 1873 Barmaid Gloucestershire, England
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Jemima Birt Boarder Single Female 20 1881 Barmaid Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Emily Williams Boarder Single Female 23 1878 Barmaid Brecknockshire, Wales
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Catherine McCarthy Boarder Single Female 27 1874 Barmaid Herefordshire, England
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Elizabeth Miller Servant Single Female 49 1852 Cook Domestic Hythe, Hampshire, England
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Daisy Coles Servant Single Female 22 1879 Waitress Domestic Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Gardie Herbert Servant Married Female 21 1880 Housemaid Domestic Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Ellen Power Servant Single Female 21 1880 Chambermaid Domestic Ireland
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Margaret Callopy Servant Single Female 32 1869 Kitchenmaid Domestic Limerick, Limerick, Ireland
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Charles Ralph Servant Single Male 32 1869 Groom Domestic Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
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George Hobbs Servant Single Male 18 1883 Billiard Marker Domestic Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
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Frederick Boyd Servant Single Male 47 1854 Boots Domestic Leicestershire, England

These seem to be the only Ellen Powers born in England / Wales in last qr 1881 (assuming the 1939 register is correct):

Births Dec 1881 (>99%)
POWER Ellen St. Olave 1d 282
POWER Ellen Agnes Shoreditch 1c 62
POWER Ellen Maria Greenwich 1d 955

None in Monmouthshire.

IF born Ireland there sre these

Ellen Power

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
October 1881 / December 1881
Kilmacthomas, Ireland

Ellen Power

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
October 1881 / December 1881
New Ross, Ireland

Ellen Power

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
October 1881 / December 1881
New Ross, Ireland

Ellen Power

Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
birth:
October 1881 / December 1881
Waterford,

death:
January 1925 / March 1925
Waterford, Ireland

I'm not seeing a death in England or Wales for Ellen.

I think you will need to purchase a copy of the marriagr cert for information regarding her father.

Prickles. ;o))

In case you don't have this........

Frederick William Curthoys in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995

Name: Frederick William Curthoys
Death Date: 11 Jan 1948
Death Place: Monmouthshire, Wales
Probate Date: 5 Apr 1948
Registry: Llandaff

Of 20 Goodrich--Cresent, Newport, Monmouthshire......Died at Wooloston House, Newport.

To Ellen Curthoys widow...........Effects: £414 9s 8d

Is this a possibility for her death, with her age and name a bit out?
Perhaps the informant wasn't sure of either?
Do you know when your grandmother died, Martyn?

Helen Curthoys
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Helen Curthoys
Birth Date: abt 1885
Date of Registration: Mar 1957
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 8c
Page: 258

I spotted that one too LG

I would put my money on that one.

Many thanks for all your prompt replies and suggestions. I now have an exact birthrate in 1881, although the 1911 census shows it as 1882.
Thank you PricklyHolly for the info regarding the estate of my Grandfather Frederick Curthoys. That indicates Ellen was alive in 1948. I was born in 1955 and was told that I had only one surviving Grandparent and that was my maternal Grandmother. So in theory she died sometime between 1948 and 1955.
Odd why she was seldom mentioned in our family and why no death records.
New to all this so where do I buy a copy of her marriage certificate and would it be worth going to the Newport records office to trawl through their records to see if a death is recorded.

Martyn

You buy certs from

www.gro.gov .uk. Costs £9.25 in p&p

Register foc and follow the order form .tick the box that's asks if the GRO is known and fill in the details in the boxes where indicated

Use the name as per the GRO record

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

If the GRO is known........

Is referring to the Volume and Page numbers.

Which in this case is.....

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
Curthoys Frederick W Newport, M. 11a 418
POWER Ellen Newport, M. 11a 418

Volume 11a....... Page 418

Quarter..........Oct...Nov...Dec

Births years often vary on the census records.

Prickles ;o))

Excuse my ignorance. What is the Gro?

Ah, our post's crossed Martyn........I have just explained it for you in case you didn't know.

:-)

If I were you, Martyn, I'd be inclined to buy a copy of the 1957 death cert for Helen Curthoys (details already posted).

You would only have been two when she died. I'm sure nobody was telling you about surviving grandparents at that age.
So by the time you were old enough to be told that sort of detail, and to understand what it meant, you likely did only have one surviving grandparent.

If she was seldom mentioned in the family, perhaps contact had been lost after your grandfather died - perhaps there had been some falling out?
That could support the fact that the details on the death record aren't quite correct - maybe the informant didn't know there were family members to contact?