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Thank you alviegal and Kathleen Bell for your help and hard work it is very much appreciated.
Kind regards
Pam

Yes they are both the same family

I wonder why the child's older brother and two older sister weren't on there?

They are my husbands family. He wasn't sure when he changed his profession from Barber to Plasterer.

Have the rest of he info on the family back to the early 1800s except for Arthur's uncle Arthur Lewis Powney born 1880 Burton upon Trent Staffordshire. He vanishes after the 1891 census
Another brick wall :-(

England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription





First name(s)
ARTHUR L
Last name
POWNEY
Marriage quarter
1
Marriage year
1930
MarriageFinder™ ARTHUR L POWNEY married
LILIAN M MORRIS
Spouse's last name
MORRIS
District
LIVERPOOL
County
Lancashire
Country
England
Volume
8B
Page
325

There is this one:-

Pouney Household (3 People)
18D Speke Road Gardens , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER

Arthur L Pouney 02 Jun 1909 Male Plasterer Married 84 1
Lilian M Pouney 13 May 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 84 2
Arthur L Pouney 03 Jul 1938 Male Under School Age Single 84

Kath. x

Is this him?



Pouney Household (3 People)
18D Speke Road Gardens , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England



Arthur L Pouney 02 Jun 1909 Male Plasterer Married 84 1
Lilian M Pouney 13 May 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 84 2 Arthur L Pouney 03 Jul 1938 Male Under School Age Single 84 6

These look like possible children for Francis and Lucy:-

First name(s) CHRISTINA
Last name LOGAN
Birth year 1937
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name WILLIAMS
District LIVERPOOL SOUTH
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 423
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

and:-


First name(s) EDITH Y
Last name LOGAN
Birth year 1941
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name WILLIAMS
District LIVERPOOL SOUTH
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 307
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

Kath. x

I did follow up the Blackburn birth of Francia Logan but The register office salid they had different first names so I never bought The certifícate.
I Shall have to send for it and see for myself.
I don't know where the middle name of Paul comes from as the maguires were mainly names of Thomas James Michael Peter John and I think a Joseph :)

I do hope it's him as it's another line to follow

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to research for me. Could I ask one last favour?

Could you have a look for Arthur Lewis Powney born Salford in1909 but should be living in Liverpool on the 1939 register he could be with his step father Isaac burrows and wife Lily

This looks like Frank's wife's death:-


First name(s) LUCY
Last name LOGAN
Gender Female
Birth day 11
Birth month 2
Birth year 1918
Age -
Death quarter 1
Death year 1988
District MANCHESTER
Register number 288
County Lancashire
Volume 38
Page 1124
Country England

Kath. x

Francis' marriage.



Name:
Francis P Logan
Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1937
Registration district:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Spouse:
Lucy Williams
Volume Number:
8b
Page Number:
237

Is it possible that this was "Uncle Frank"? :-


First name(s) FRANCIS
Last name LOGAN
Birth year 1912
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name MAGUIRE
District BLACKBURN
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 508
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006

EDIT - Snap alviegal

The middle name Paul on the death record is probably a name given at baptism.

Kath. x

Uncle Frank perhaps?


Name:
Francis Logan
Mother's Maiden Name:
Maguire
Registration Year:
1912
Registration Quarter:
Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:
Blackburn
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume:
8e
Page:
508

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Possible?

1939 Register

Logan Household (2 People)
11 Bridson Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England



Francis Logan 04 Mar 1912 Male Confectioner (Cake Maker) Married 185 1
Lucy Logan 11 Feb 1918 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties - 185 2


Francis' birth date is 4 Oct not March. It is a transcription error.

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So this would be his death.



Name:
Francis Paul Logan
Birth Date:
4 Oct 1912
Date of Registration:
Oct 1991
Age at Death:
79
Registration district:
Liverpool
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume:
36
Page:
906

Aw thank you. I've tried to find information for over ten years and I tried asking dad and mum about dads family but she didn't know much being from Yorkshire.

That's so sad I hadn't realised he was so young.
Gran lost a few children before my dad was born in 1910 and lost Michael and daughter Frances after dads birth.
There was always an uncle Frank my brother who is five years older than me remembered him visiting our home before we moved when I was two
After that he seemed to go off the radar.
Dad didn't speak of his family much as he joined the army as a boy soldier.

No need to apologise Pam, your posts are fine, not rude or abrupt at all. It is so frustrating when we reach these dead ends but hopefully somebody at some time will be able to help. <3

For our info.

Name:
Michael Logan (of 23 Gomer Street)

Birth Year:
abt 1915
Age:
1 7/12 (should be 19 months)
Death Year:
abt 1917
Burial Date:
7 Jun 1917
Parish:
Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England

GRAVE NO. 1529




Mary Frances Logan
in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1988

Name:
Mary Frances Logan (of 23 Gomer Street)
Birth Year:
abt 1918
Age:
3
Death Year:
abt 1921
Burial Date:
10 May 1921
Parish:
Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England

I'm so sorry the above sounds abrupt as I read back. I didn't mean it to sound like that

Yes I have their births and marriage even their christening and John's army service
What I was hoping to find out was who else was in the family besides them and my dad

Your guess is as good as mine :)

My grandparents were supposed to have had another living child beside my dad and I've never found him either.

Their children frances and Michael born about 1916 and 1918 died young so I don't know who uncle Frank really was!

They are the worst family in my tree to trace :-(

I'm sure you have this already.


First name(s)
Mary Catherine
Last name
Maguire
Name note
-
Age
20
Marriage year
1901
Marriage date
25 Dec 1901
Marriage place
Everton
Father's first name(s)
John
Father's last name
Maguire
Spouse's first name(s)
John
Spouse's last name
Logan
Spouse's father's first name(s)
Daniel
Spouse's father's last name
Logan
Residence
Everton, Lancashire, England
County
Lancashire
Country
England

You're welcome, where on earth are they in 1911, I wonder?