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I have found him in the 1871 Census aged 9 months old, but no birth certificate and all other records show various dates for his birth. Has anyone some special knowledge of him which includes an authoritative full D0B?

See my tree for Rudolph Buckley Lister's place in the Family Tree.

You might end my 23 year hunt!
Thank you,
Yours,
David Broomfield

David, can you give a location and parents' names please,

Attestation dated 17th Oct 1915 gives him as age 42 years and 3 months.

Rudolph B Lister on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Lister Household (4 People)
11 Saint Andrews Square , Hastings C.B., Sussex, England

Rudolph B Lister 12 Jul 1869 Insurance Agent
~??? Lister 04 Mar 1874 Unpaid Domestic Duties
Florence H Mannino (Lister) 06 Apr 1906 Dressmaker
Dorothy H Davis 06 Apr 1906 Unpaid Domestic Duties

It doesn't look as if his birth was actually registered.

He was baptised in 1881........no birth date on the record.

Rudolph Buchly Lister in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name: Rudolph Buchly Lister (Middle name Buckley on the image)
Parish: Leeds, All Souls
Baptism Date: 25 Jul 1881
1 Moorland View
Father: Ruhard Nicholson Lister (Deceased) Richard on the image.
Mother: Jane Lister

Brother Willie Horlacher? Lister on the same page.


Births Mar 1869 (>99%)
LISTER William Horlacher Kirkstall 9b 281

?
Marriages Dec 1857 (>99%)
Bedford Jane Leeds 9b 421
Lister Richard Nicholson Leeds 9b 421

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Wyther, Bramley, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Lister Head - Male 43 1828 - Scotland
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Jane Lister Wife - Female 34 1837 - Yorkshire, England
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Samuel L Lister Son - Male 14 1857 - Yorkshire, England
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Richard N Lister Son - Male 7 1864 - Yorkshire, England
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Anne B Lister Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Yorkshire, England
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Harry B Lister Son - Male 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England
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William B Lister Son - Male 2 1869 - Yorkshire, England
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Rodolf Lister Son - Male 0 1871 - Yorkshire, England
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Elizabeth Phepp Governess - Female 25 1846 - Warwickshire, England
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Elizabeth Cockburn Servant - Female 23 1848 - Durham, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Reservoir Street, Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Jane Lister Head Widow Female 54 1837 Living On Own Means Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Richard H Lister Son Single Male 25 1866 Clerk To Wholesale Clothier Bradford, Yorkshire, England
Henry B Lister Son Single Male 24 1867 Foreign Correspondent Leeds, Yorkshire, England
William H Lister Son Single Male 22 1869 Clerk In Woollen Shipping Ho Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Rudolf B Lister Son Single Male 20 1871 Woollen Merchant Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Florence Lister Daughter Single Female 19 1872 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Walter A Lister Son Single Male 18 1873 Printers Apprentice Yorkshire, England

There are 2 'male lister' s born Leeds which might be him?

Births Jun 1871 (>99%)
Lister Male Leeds 9b 442


edited to remove one.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1, Moorland View, Leeds, Yorkshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Lister Head Widow Female 44 1837 - Hunslet, Yorkshire, England
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Annie Bedford Lister Daughter Single Female 15 1866 Scholar Redcar, Yorkshire, England
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W Hirlacker Lister Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar Burley, Yorkshire, England
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Rudoph B Lister Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Burley, Yorkshire, England
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Florence Lister Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Kirkstall, Yorkshire, England
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Walter A Lister Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Yorkshire, England
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John Hay Son In Law Married Male 27 1854 Commercial Clerk Bradford, Yorkshire, England
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Alice Bedford Hay Daughter Married Female 22 1859 - Bradford, Yorkshire, England
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Alice Hay Grand Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Did he die in WW!?

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
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Name Rundolph Buckley Lister
Death Date 23 Aug 1918
Death Place France and Flanders
Enlistment Place Cambridge
Rank Private
Regiment Suffolk Regiment
Battalion 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number 326219
Type of Casualty Killed in action
Theatre of War Western European Theatre
Comments Formerly 3405, 1St Cambs, M.M.

Is this his marriage?

Rudolph Buckley Lister

in the England, Andrews Newspaper Index Cards, 1790-1976
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Name: Rudolph Buckley Lister
Father's name: Richard Nicholson Lister
Spouse's Name: Maud Louise Cowley
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1899
Marriage Place: Swindon, Wiltshire, England

LISTER, RUDOLPH BUCKLEY

Rank:
Private
Service No:
326219
Date of Death:
23/08/1918
Age:
24
Regiment/Service:
Suffolk Regiment

2nd Bn. formerly (3405) 1st/1st Bn. Cambridgeshire Regiment
Awards:
M M
Grave Reference:
IV. F. 2.
Cemetery:
GOMIECOURT SOUTH CEMETERY
Additional Information:
Only son of William and Alice Lister, of 33, Alexandra Park Rd., Muswell Hill, London.


Births Jun 1894 (>99%)
Lister Randolph Buchly Leeds

A son of his brother William Hollacher Lister? Perhaps he's the one who died in WW1?

Rudolf Buckley Lister

in the West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
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Name: Rudolf Buckley Lister
Birth Date: 1 May 1894
Parish: Burley
Search Photos: Search for 'Burley' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Baptism Date: 12 Jul 1899
Father: William Holiacher Lister
Mother: Alice Lister

The marriage to Maud L is very likely as that is the name on the 1939 register image, though faded.

Rudolph B Lister


England and Wales Census, 1901

Name Rudolph B Lister
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place St Helens, Sussex, England
County Sussex
Civil Parish St Helens
Ecclesiastical Parish Christ Church Blacklands
Sub-District Ore
Registration District Hastings
Residence Note Mount Pleasant Road
Gender Male
Age 30
Occupation DRAPERS TRAVELER
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1871
Birthplace Newling, Yorkshire
Schedule Type 198
Page Number 28



Household

Role

Gender

Age

Birthplace

Rudolph B Lister Head M 30 Newling, Yorkshire
Maud L Lister Wife F 27 Swindon, Wiltshire
Reginald C Lister Son M 0 Hastings,

Rudloph Lister

in the 1911 England Census
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Name: Rudloph Lister
Age in 1911: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kirkstall, Yorkshire
Civil Parish: Hastings
Search Photos: Search for 'Hastings' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England
Street address: 21 St Andrews Square Hastings Sussex
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Insurance Agent
Registration district: Hastings
Registration District Number: 69
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 159
Piece: 4746
Household Members:
Name Age
Rudloph Lister 40
Maud Lister 36
Reginald Lister 10
Maud Lister 8
Florence Lister 5
Dorothy Lister 5
Minnie Lister 3
Emily F Woodhams 46
Elizabeth White 42
Alice Dreweit 45
May Dreweit 18
Winifred Dreweit 16

The non-Listers are all boarders.

Rudolph & Maud married 11 years, 6 children born, 5 still living.

(the War Death one)

Chris :)

1911 (Find My Past)
Rudolph Lister Visitor Single Male Stores Hand 15 1896 Leeds
Address 72 Kimberley Road Chesterton Cambridgeshire
Parish Chesterton
County Cambridgeshire
Census reference RG14 PN9053 RG78 PN481 RD180 SD1 ED3 SN71

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engcam/Military/CambsRegimentAwards1914-18.htm

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Cambridgeshire/CambridgeMatthewAndSon.html

(Employer)


13 November 1937 - Hastings and St Leonards Observer - Hastings

Fletcher, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Robert Fletcher, 6 The Green, Felling-on-Tyne and Mr. Reginald C. Lister, son Mr. and Mrs. Rudolph Lister, Sunnyside, 11, St. Andrew's-square, Hastings, took place at the Central Methodist Church, Hastings, on Sunday, the Rev ...”


08 March 1941 - Hastings and St Leonards Observer - Hastings, East

son of the late Mr, and Mrs. H. Manning, formerly of Hendon. and Miss Florence Gertrude Lister, daughter Mr. and Mrs. Rudolph Lister, 11, St. Andrew's-square. Hastings. . Given away by her father, the bride wore a fuchsia coloured dress and powder blue ...”

(with photo)

http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

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William Horlacher Lister 01/01/1926

https://sites.google.com/site/harrogatenamesdatabase/li

Welcome to the Community boards David.



(I'll let David know how to find his replies) :-)

Wow! Thank you all for your efforts in responding to my cry for help, but the key phrase was 'an authoritative full DoB'. A marriage or census doesn't provide that. I think I can safely say that you have found all that I have too! Including the remarkable coincidence of there being two soldiers in the First WW with the unusual name of Rudolph Buckley Lister; mine didn't get the MM! I would welcome your opinion on my supposition of his true birth date from all the different ones in the records, in the absence of a recognized formal record like a birth certificate: he lied about his true birth date but in order to remember what he had submitted only changed the year. So the 1871 census when he was 9 months old tells us he was born in 1870 - fact (well, almost!); the 1939 register tells us it was 12 July 1869. So I believe the best one can get is that it was in fact 12 July 1870. Yes?