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1891 CENSUS FOR OLDHAM,HOLLINWOOD Please can I ask for help with any death info for Richard crook (1881) he was born in miles platting to parents Cornelius crook and sarah jane carbell ( carvel) I have all info for everyone on this 1891 census except for this Richard (1881) ...My guess is that the two boys are here with their uncle Frederick as Cornelius crook (1852) has done a runner..But I cant figure out why on sarah janes second marriage to William barton in 1894 she states that she is a widow..Hmmm ive not found any death info for Cornelius (1852) to cover sarah janes statement..Did he really do a runner???
Robert Tomkins 20
Alice Tomkins 23
Fredk Tomkins 2
Sarah A Tomkins 52
Joseph Tomkins 14
Fredk Crook 35
Harriet Emily Crook 25
Richard Crook 10
Cornelius Crook 7


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1891 for occupations and places of birth and to try and make sense of your opening post. Where is Sarah Jane Crook in 1891?

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Camden Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Tomkins Head Married Male 20 1871 General Labourer London, England
Alice Tomkins Wife Married Female 23 1868 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Fredk Tomkins Son - Male 2 1889 - Hollinwood, Lancashire, England
Sarah A Tomkins Mother Widow Female 52 1839 Laundress London, England
Joseph Tomkins Brother - Male 14 1877 Driver Of Colliery Newton Heath, Lancashire, England
Fredk Crook Brother In Law Married Male 35 1856 Driver Of Colliery Manchester, Lancashire,
Harriet Emily Crook Sister Married Female 25 1866 Cotton Winder London, England
Richard Crook Nephew - Male 10 1881 Scholar Miles Platting, Lancashire, England
Cornelius Crook Nephew - Male 7 1884 Scholar Hollinwood, Lancashire, England

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Name: Cornelius Crook
Birth Date: abt 1853
Date of Registration: Dec 1927
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Halifax
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9a
Page: 513

1881 for some details of Cornelius and Sarah Jane

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
105, Dyson Street, Newton, Prestwich, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Cornelius Crook Head Married Male 26 1855 Butcher Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah J Crook Wife Married Female 24 1857 - Islington, Middlesex, England
Richard Crook Son Single Male 1 1880 - Newton Heath, Lancashire, England
Wm Crook Father Widower Male 61 1820 Blacksmith Manchester, Lancashire, England

(Gwen did you mean looking for 1881?, is that not him on below. old query)

Chris :)

June Report 8 Feb 2007 22:45

1881 census Name: WM. Crook Age: 61 Estimated birth year: abt 1820 Relation: Father Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Newton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 105 Dyson St Condition as to marriage: Widow Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Blacksmith Registration district: Prestwich Sub-registration district: Newton ED, institution, or vessel: 17 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Cornelius Crook 26 Richard Crook 1 Sarah J. Crook 24 WM. Crook 61 June x

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Yes I found that one too Jan.it looks abt right to me..But why would Sarah jane said she was a widow

If it's the right death, and she was lying, it's probably because it was easier than divorce, which was too difficult & expensive for most people back then.

No chris..I might have got a bit carried away with Richard crook born 1881 and his disappearing dad Cornelius crook born 1852...But its actually Richard(1881) ime looking for,maybe some death info as I cannot find him anywhere else...

oh probably so then Jan..Thank you :-)

Miles Platting is about a mile from Manchester City centre so could be looking for someone who says they are from Manchester on later census.

From a google search - roots chat question -
The Church of St. Luke, Miles Platting.

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First name(s) Richard
Last name Crook
Relationship Boarder
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 19
Birth year 1882
Occupation Driver R F A
Birth town -
Birth town as transcribed ST LUKES
Birth county Lancashire
Birth county as transcribed LANCASHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Street -
Town Hilsea Cosham Hants
Parish Cosham
City -
Country England

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
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First name(s) RICHARD
Last name CROOK
Birth year 1881
Birth parish ST LUKES
Birth town MANCHESTER
Birth county LANCASHIRE
Birth country ENGLAND
Service number 183
Rank -
Regiment Royal Artillery
Document Type Attestation
Attestation year 1899
Attestation Day 29
Attestation Month 6
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months -
Attestation Corps Royal Artillery
Attestation service number 183
Discharge Corps Royal Artillery
Series WO97 chelsea pensioners british army service records 1760-1913
Box 4612
Box Record Number 131
Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain

Service records - Father Cornelius address unknown. Mother Jane Crook of 109 Wickentree Lane, Failsworth. ***Mother not referred to as Barton

Married Martha Ann Mason Spinster Prestwich Reg. Office 27th October 1906 whilst a Reservist. she later named as NOK

29.6.99 to 7.12.1902 - Home service
8.12.1902 - 8.3.1906 - India
9.3.1906 - ? - Home

EDIT - 23.3.1904 Extended service to 8 years with the Colours (so up to June 1907 from enlistment). He would then have had a responsibility to the Reserves for a period.
Transferred to Reserves 29 July 1906 (so a bit earlier than end of his 8 years). Recorded as Absent 30 June 1909.
On 4.8.1910 he Claimed the Benefit of the King's Pardon and was given a Protecting Certificate

aww thank you so very much greyghost..you're a star...Cheers x :-) :-)

Mmm woder why she isn't referred to as barton :-S

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1906
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CROOK Richard MASON Martha Ann Prestwich Registrar Attended Archives+, Manchester Central Library PRE_RM/54/104


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
Crook Richard Prestwich 8d 681

Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
Travelling with Martha Crook aged 30

First name(s) RICHARD
Last name CROOK
Gender Male
Age 32
Birth year 1882
Occupation MINER
Departure year 1914
Departure day 10
Departure month 7
Departure port LIVERPOOL
Destination port NEW YORK
Destination NEW YORK
Country United States
Destination country United States
Ship name AQUITANIA
Ship official number 135583
Ship master's first name W T
Ship master's last name TURNER
Shipping line CUNARD
City LIVERPOOL
Ship destination port NEW YORK
Ship destination country USA
Ship square feet 16101
Ship registered tonnage 21992
Number of passengers 1438

So they should be around in 1911 ?

Intending to live in USA

:-) :-) :-) Many thanks :-) :-) :-)

Have added a bit more info to my post at 18:21 re his Service

On that passenger list in 1914 Richard & Martha are going to join Martha's brother James Mason, Smithfield St., McKeesport, Pennsylvania.

Nearest relative at home was Martha's father James Mason, 44 Odey? St., Hollinwood, Oldham.

Many more thanks greyghost
It looks like my Cornelius was a very Naughty Boy :-(
I discovered this this morning:it's on Find my past, under Manchester Prison Records 1847-1881: Cornelius crook,
Event Year:1866
Manchester
Birth place: Manchester, west Gorton
Please can some one help with this report, ive typed in all info and it keeps saying nothing found
:-S